Klarinet Archive - Posting 000161.txt from 2011/03

From: "Brian and Ann" <wordpecker@-----.au>
Subj: Re: [kl] Mozart wind serenades & double bass
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:32:17 -0400

Thanks Dan,
Yes it's the version for 8 winds.
The addition of the bass certainly adds depth to the sound of the octet. I'd
be interested to hear the Beethoven arrangements and will look them up.
I appreciate you taking the time for this.
Brian Catchlove

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] Mozart wind serenades & double bass

> The standard Harmonie of 8 players does not have a true bass, and it is
> this
> deficiency that caused other composers of wind octet music (such as
> Krommar)
> to use a contrabassoon or contrabass. How common it was at the time of
> Mozart is by no means clear, but using a 16 foot bass to double the second
> bassoon is very much the right thing to do. There is a silhouette of a
> wind
> octet with double bass that is often used as artwork on the cover of some
> Harmoniemusik, which shows that the practice was known.
>
> In the era of the Beethoven works arranged for wind octet by locals, they
> almost always have a contra part. I'm thinking of the arrangement for
> octet
> of the Pathetique sonata, or the Fidelio arrangement by Sedlak..
>
> The only constraint you might consider is that the line for 16 foot bass
> should stay out of the way in quiet passages, otherwise it can sound like
> a
> bull in a china shop.
>
> P.S. I am assuming that you are referring to K. 375 for 8 winds and not
> the
> earlier version for 6.
>
> Dan Leeson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian and Ann" <wordpecker@-----.au>
> To: <Klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 2:32 AM
> Subject: [kl] Mozart wind serenades & double bass
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I've just listened to a recording of Mozart Serenade KV 375. It appears
>> to
>> have a double bass added to the tutti sections, playing the 2nd bassoon
>> line
>> I believe. I have also heard this performed without the double bass.
>> My query is how common is this practice and was it considered normal
>> performance during Mozart's lifetime?
>> I ask, because I am playing this work next week and I quite like the
>> sound
>> of the wind octet with the added bass.
>> Regards
>> Brian Catchlove
>>
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