Klarinet Archive - Posting 000272.txt from 2011/01

From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:22:01 -0500

I often suffer from the "sucked orange" effect. So much so that I have to
swallow between some breaths to prevent a tsunami swamping the mouthpiece. I
would kill for a "dry" sound.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Hartman [mailto:sdh902@-----.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:19 PM
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
>
> Well, I must be tonguing properly because I only get water in my tone
> holes
> :-)
> BTW, it's "diphthong." The word itself is more of a changing-consonant
> effect!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard D Bush" <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
>
>
> > Moisture that runs into woodwind instrument tone holes is usually
> > mostly condensation from the breathed in air. It is made very humid by
> > being in the lungs.
> >
> > Saliva can also sometimes be a part of the moisture that ends up in an
> > instrument. I think improper tonguing is often the cause of this. If
> > one allows the tongue to be flat at the front edge of the reed, or if
> > one thrusts the tongue forward onto the reed edge and mouthpiece tip
> > end when tonguing, saliva that is on the tongue will shoot directly
> > into the instrument. The most obvious result is a sizzling or popping
> > sound as tones are blown.
> >
> > Most of this saliva inundation can be avoided by moving only the tip
> > of the tongue, curling the tip of the tongue upward and touching the
> > reed just behind its front edge. When toughing the reed this way, any
> > moisture that is on the tongue will not blow into the instrument and
> > the sound will stay "dry."
> >
> > The second advantage is that only a small part (tip) of the tongue is
> > moving vertically. The whole tongue mass within the mouth and going
> > down the throat is not moving forward and backward in the mouth. The
> > tip only movement is therefore potentially a lot faster.
> >
> > Also, the size and direction of the air stream remain constant when
> > any note is tongued and blown. There is no diphong (changing vowel
> > effect) or pitch change taking because of the changing displacement
> > within the mouth.
> >
> > Yes, the vowel sound within the mouth does change when tonguing from
> > low to high...being flatter when playing low pitches and more arched
> > in the back when articulating and playing high notes, but these tongue
> > formations usually don't or shouldn't change for any given note while
> > a given note is being blown.
> >
> > I hope this adds to the conversation.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> > Richard Bush
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Steve Hartman wrote:
> >
> > Has that actually been scientifically tested? The "water" in tone holes
> > seems to me to have the consistency of water, not saliva.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
> > To: "'The Klarinet Mailing List'" <klarinet@-----.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
> >
> >
> >> But most of it is spit(saliva) not condensation and it contains more
> >> than
> >> just water being quite strongly antiseptic. Your Mum knows best.
> >
> >>> From: Steve Hartman [mailto:sdh902@-----.net]
> >
> >>> There could be a tiny chip in the tone hole or the pad may not be
> >>> seated
> >>> perfectly. I prefer to refer to the water as "condensation."
> >
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