Klarinet Archive - Posting 000271.txt from 2011/01

From: "Steve Hartman" <sdh902@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:18:32 -0500

Well, I must be tonguing properly because I only get water in my tone holes
:-)
BTW, it's "diphthong." The word itself is more of a changing-consonant
effect!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard D Bush" <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water

> Moisture that runs into woodwind instrument tone holes is usually
> mostly condensation from the breathed in air. It is made very humid by
> being in the lungs.
>
> Saliva can also sometimes be a part of the moisture that ends up in an
> instrument. I think improper tonguing is often the cause of this. If
> one allows the tongue to be flat at the front edge of the reed, or if
> one thrusts the tongue forward onto the reed edge and mouthpiece tip
> end when tonguing, saliva that is on the tongue will shoot directly
> into the instrument. The most obvious result is a sizzling or popping
> sound as tones are blown.
>
> Most of this saliva inundation can be avoided by moving only the tip
> of the tongue, curling the tip of the tongue upward and touching the
> reed just behind its front edge. When toughing the reed this way, any
> moisture that is on the tongue will not blow into the instrument and
> the sound will stay "dry."
>
> The second advantage is that only a small part (tip) of the tongue is
> moving vertically. The whole tongue mass within the mouth and going
> down the throat is not moving forward and backward in the mouth. The
> tip only movement is therefore potentially a lot faster.
>
> Also, the size and direction of the air stream remain constant when
> any note is tongued and blown. There is no diphong (changing vowel
> effect) or pitch change taking because of the changing displacement
> within the mouth.
>
> Yes, the vowel sound within the mouth does change when tonguing from
> low to high...being flatter when playing low pitches and more arched
> in the back when articulating and playing high notes, but these tongue
> formations usually don't or shouldn't change for any given note while
> a given note is being blown.
>
> I hope this adds to the conversation.
>
> Yours truly,
> Richard Bush
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Steve Hartman wrote:
>
> Has that actually been scientifically tested? The "water" in tone holes
> seems to me to have the consistency of water, not saliva.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
> To: "'The Klarinet Mailing List'" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] suggestions of channeling water
>
>
>> But most of it is spit(saliva) not condensation and it contains more
>> than
>> just water being quite strongly antiseptic. Your Mum knows best.
>
>>> From: Steve Hartman [mailto:sdh902@-----.net]
>
>>> There could be a tiny chip in the tone hole or the pad may not be
>>> seated
>>> perfectly. I prefer to refer to the water as "condensation."
>
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