Klarinet Archive - Posting 000434.txt from 2010/11

From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Sabine Meyer
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:59:35 -0500

Yes yes yes- they are all great. That is not the issue.

For the performers on an INSTRUMENT, they would be JUST as great
without the theatrics. Yup, Nathan Milstein just stood there and
fiddled up a storm. And your concentration was directed to the music.

For the great Bernstein, I feel that HIS gyrations are not to enhance
the music, but rather to transmit his intentions to his players (non
of which are gyrating by the way).

And yes, Martin Frost's musicality is wonderful- but I think his
gyrations make him look like an jackass and for me it detracts his
performance. He (or Sabine Meyer or anyone else that does that)
should not be the role model for young people beginning their musical
journey. They might interpret that gyrating could be a cover up for
sloppy performance or missing skills.

Fred

At 11:28 AM 11/26/2010, you wrote:
>I don't remember that anyone complained about the movements of this
>(great!) musician
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK6gGWMnTZI&feature=related
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJFXqYEYd8&feature=related
>or his folower
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23zveX7QRpI&feature=related
>
>and most people think that this clarinetist is great (and I agree)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1btdMkXIruQ
>
>When I wrote convincing I meant that I belive that her movements are
>sincere, I don't think that it's a show for the audiance. You can't
>fake musicality.
>
>Sarah
>
> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> > To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Sabine Meyer
> > Sent: 26 Nov '10 14:33
> >
> > I fail to see how her moves are "musical" or "convincing". What is a
> > "musical" move? And does she need to "convince" me that the music is
> > great? No- she is DISTRACTING me from the music by her ridiculous
> > gyrations. She could play as well tied to a chair. And then the
> > opus itself would be musical and convincing in its own right. The
> > music doesn't need to be sold by gimmicky theatrics. I want to enjoy
> > the music- not a snake dancer.
> >
> > Toscanini used to be very animated when he rehearsed his orchestras,
> > to get his points across to them. But at show time, his conducting
> > was very minimal so that the audience would not be
> distracted. And it worked.
> >
> > And just what is sexist about voicing opinions in this thread- I have
> > already posted my dislike of a MALE clarinetist who felt that modern
> > dance was a necessary embellishment to his performance. I don't see
> > the point in validating your opinion by playing the sexist card.
> >
> > Perhaps it is because of the extremely high level the performance bar
> > is set at in today's world, those at the top feel that they must
> > convince the observer of how good they are by SHOWING us the efforts
> > they are making by putting the emotions that they put into the music
> > on the outside for us to see. I find it distracting, unnecessary,
> > and in some cases (Ms. Meyer's) even bizarre.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:48 AM 11/26/2010, you wrote:
> > >Thank you Arthur,
> > >Sabine Meyer moves , and her movements are musical and convincing.
> > >She is also a very lucky women , not only because of her talent and
> > >success- but also because
> > >she gets wonderful support from her husband Reiner Wehle and her
> > >brother Wolfgang Meyer. Thank to both of them
> > >she can survive the unbelivable sexism around her.
> > >Sarah
> > >
> > > > -------Original Message-------
> > > > From: Arthur Acheson <arthur.acheson@-----.com>
> > > > To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [kl] Sabine Meyer
> > > > Sent: 26 Nov '10 08:07
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 25 Nov 2010, at 10:30, Taylor, Noel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Music has rhythm, the body feels it - the body wants to move. Dance
> > > > is deep in us - and after all, a lot of classical music, including
> > > > Mozart, is based on the dances of the period. What the heck is the
> > > > problem about moving? It's natural.
> > > >
> > > > Question. How natural, as opposed to learned, is the type of movement
> > > > in the Sabine Meyer video?
> > > > I ask this as I have worked with blind musicians and observed blind
> > > > musicians such as Roland Kirk, Ray Charles, etc. and their movements
> > > > are of a totally different kind. Could this be because their
> > > > movements are 'natural' as opposed to affectations?
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