Klarinet Archive - Posting 000011.txt from 2010/10

From: matthew dineen <mgnat45@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] Old fingers
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:12:58 -0400

There is a Klose summary exercise at the beginning of the second half of hi=
s Conservatory Method that takes the scales all around the circle of fifths=
. There are exercises in broken arpeggios - major, dominant seventh, dimini=
shed - that also go around the circle. And scales in thirds.

And many, many other finger workouts.

The exercises are in the public domain and available (as part of the entire=
Klose work) for download on the Petrucci Library (IMSLP) website: http://i=
mslp.org/wiki.

I found, since I was an older learner, that I needed some "range of motion"=
exercises, and these sere very helpful (and free). =

Matt Dineen

--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com> wrote:

> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Old fingers
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 6:42 AM
> Dear friends,
> =

> I am very sorry that you are all feeling under the
> weather.=A0 Having
> been away from the clarinet and never having learned the
> scales with
> lots of sharps and flats very well, I am definitely having
> trouble
> keeping them straight.=A0 E, B, F# and C# major...=A0
> Plus I tend have
> trouble keeping the scales even in general.=A0 Bits
> speed up and slow
> down.=A0 That is when it is time to get the metronome
> out and work on
> evenness.=A0 I will shift my starting points too.=A0
> For example, starting
> on C all the time tends to make you accent the notes on the
> beat
> unduely
> (CdefGabcDefgAbcdEfgaBcdeFedcBagfEdcbAgfeDcbaGfGabcDefgA
> etc.)
> so I do DefgAbcdEfgaB... and EfgaBcdeFgabCd... and
> FgabCdefGabcDef...
> etc.=A0 sometimes just to mix things up a bit and start
> on different
> notes of the scale.=A0 Then practice the scale in
> thirds
> (CdeFgaBcdEfg..., DefGabCdeFga..., EfgAbcDefGabCde...
> etc.)
> =

> =

> Circle of fifths
> =

> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # of flats=A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # of
> sharps
> C=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 C=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A00
> G=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 G=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1
> D=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A02
> A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 A=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A03
> E=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 E=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A04
> B=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 B=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A05
> Gb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A06=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0F#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 6
> Db=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A05=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0C#
> Ab=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A04=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0G#
> Eb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A03=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0D#
> Bb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A02=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0A#
> F=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A01=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0F
> C
> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # of flats=A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # of
> sharps
> C=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0=A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 C=A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0
> G=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A011=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0G=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1
> D=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A010=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0D=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A02
> A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A09=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A03
> E=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A08=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0E=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A04
> B=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A07=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0B=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A05
> Gb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A06=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0F#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A06
> Db=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A05=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0C#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A07
> Ab=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A04=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0G#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A08
> Eb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A03=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0D#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0=A0=A09
> Bb=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A02=A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0A#=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A010
> F=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A01=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A0F=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0=A0=A011
> C
> =

> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Alan Zimmerman <azimmerman1@-----.net>
> wrote:
> > After returning to my Bb clarinet after a 55 year
> absence, I too find
> > frustration in restoring muscle memory.
> > particularly critical in the altissimo keys and
> certain bridge keys.
> > Practice is helping, but oh so slowly.
> > Alan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <DGross1226@-----.com>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Old fingers
> >
> >
> >> In a message dated 10/3/2010 8:59:10 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> >> peter.gentry@-----.uk
> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have noticed recently that I am increasingly
> failing to fully cover the
> >>> right hand third finger on the C/G hole
> especially when fingering clarion
> >>> G#
> >>> also a habit is creeping in of partly opening
> the register key with a
> >>> slightly misplaced thumb.
> >>>
> >>> This seems to be associated with old fingers
> loosing "fingerprint" and
> >>> becoming rather shiny or it may be a result of
> playing Bass. Does anyone
> >>> else (seniors amongst us) =A0have this
> problem?
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> As a 70-year-old clarinetist whose primary
> instruments are bass, contra
> >> alto, and contrabass, I would vote for your
> "problem" being the result of
> >> playing plateau-keyed instruments. =A0I also play
> soprano clarinets with a
> >> community orchestra and whenever I have to return
> to playing A, Bb, and C
> >> instruments, it takes me about a week of practice
> to "unlearn" all the
> >> "bad?" habits
> >> that can result from the ease of playing
> instruments with plateau
> >> keys...like
> >> not properly curving my fingers to ensure I cover
> the tone holes.
> >>
> >> When I retired and went back to university to
> study music formally and
> >> take
> >> lessons from my professor who routinely played
> with the LA Phil and the LA
> >> Chamber Orchestra, she would forbid me to touch
> any of my "pedal
> >> clarinets"
> >> for at least a week prior to my juries that we
> were required to perform on
> >> soprano clarinets.
> >>
> >> Granted, while playing bass clarinet, you can
> "imagine" you're playing
> >> open
> >> tone hole instruments and try to incorporate all
> the things you've ever
> >> learned about finger position, but I submit that
> the two instruments are
> >> totally different and it just takes time to adjust
> your motor memory to
> >> handle
> >> each of them.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll be interested to hear the thoughts of other
> "senior" players.
> >>
> >> Don
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