Klarinet Archive - Posting 000663.txt from 2010/09

From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] gran Partitta Pizza
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:03:40 -0400

For the Netherlands, not pizza but a reistaffel (spelling??) along with the
great Dutch beer.

Dan Leeson
.
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Subject: [kl] gran Partitta Pizza

>
> Dan,
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> When you're in the Netherlands ...........
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> Best regards,
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> Ton Damm
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> From: rogerclarinet@-----.uk
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:01:40 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>
> The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem
> to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be
> abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as
> always) oddities:
> 1 solo
> 2 duo or du-
> 3 trio
> 4 quart-
> 5 quint-
> 6 sext-
> 7 sept-
> 8 oct-
> 9 non-
> 10 dec-
> 11 undec-
> 12 dodec-
> 13 tredec-
> 14 quattuordec-
> 15 quin(qua)dec-
> 16 sexdec-
> 17 sept(en)dec-
> 18 octodec-
> 19 novendec- (or novemdec-)
> 20 vigesim-
> 30 trigesim-
>
> and so on. Mahler 8 is a millesimet!
>
> The series is not at all consistent and italian names follow slightly
> different prefices and is a little more consistent.
>
> I've no doubt many scholars will disagree with some of the above, but
> short of a "1984"-style revamp of the language the terms are set.
>
> Dictionaries often stop defining with octet or, in some cases, nonet, so
> the rest are somewhat less definitive.
>
> Roger H
>
> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 15:09
>> That does sound better.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra t)
>> where the c is hard rather than soft despite the following
>> e. After all it is nonet not nontet.
>> > Roger H
>> >
>> > --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in
>> BFlat
>> >> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
>> >> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
>> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
>> >> Keith Bowen <keith.bowen@-----.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> [snip]
>> >> > We are also doing an arrangement of the
>> Masonic
>> >> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
>> >>
>> >> The best I've come up with is undectet.
>> >>
>> >> 12et would be dodectet.
>> >>
>> >> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
>> >>
>> >> I don't hear those words much.
>> >>
>> >> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
>> >>
>> >> -Jennifer
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> From: grabnerwg@-----.com
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:22:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>
> <<I don't hear those words much.
>
> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.>>
>
> How about ensemble? Hopefully the audience can count.
>
> Walter Grabner
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> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: dnleeson@-----.net
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:24:09 -0700
> Subject: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
> the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In
> that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct
> orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with
> lower case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every
> download, the identification of the person doing the download is not given
> to me. If you want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the
> link. Anyone who downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear
> circumstances, have to have a pizza with me.
>
> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
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> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
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> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: rachaelalice@-----.com
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:31:02 +0200
> Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
> I just downloaded the chapter, if you ever are in Israel, I'll be happy to
> have a kosher Pizza in Jerusalem with you!
>
> Rachael Orbach
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Dan Leeson <dnleeson@-----.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
>> the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In
>> that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct
>> orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with
>> lower
>> case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download,
>> the
>> identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If
>> you
>> want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who
>> downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have
>> to
>> have a pizza with me.
>>
>> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
>>
>> Dan Leeson
>> dnleeson@-----.net
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> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: dnleeson@-----.net
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:33:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
> Well if I get to Jerusalem we will share a falafel with a fiery hot sauce,
> thankyou.
>
> Dan Leeson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rachael" <rachaelalice@-----.com>
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
>
>>I just downloaded the chapter, if you ever are in Israel, I'll be happy to
>> have a kosher Pizza in Jerusalem with you!
>>
>> Rachael Orbach
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Dan Leeson <dnleeson@-----.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
>>> the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC.
>>> In
>>> that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct
>>> orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with
>>> lower
>>> case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download,
>>> the
>>> identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If
>>> you
>>> want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone
>>> who
>>> downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances,
>>> have
>>> to
>>> have a pizza with me.
>>>
>>> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
>>>
>>> Dan Leeson
>>> dnleeson@-----.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Klarinet mailing list
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> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: helen.jennifer@-----.com
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:05:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
> wrote:
>> The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem
>> to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be
>> abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as
>> always) oddities:
>> 1 solo
>> 2 duo or du-
>> 3 trio
>> 4 quart-
>> 5 quint-
>> 6 sext-
>> 7 sept-
>> 8 oct-
>> 9 non-
>> 10 dec-
>> 11 undec-
>> 12 dodec-
>> 13 tredec-
>> 14 quattuordec-
>> 15 quin(qua)dec-
>> 16 sexdec-
>> 17 sept(en)dec-
>> 18 octodec-
>> 19 novendec- (or novemdec-)
>> 20 vigesim-
>> 30 trigesim-
>>
>> and so on. Mahler 8 is a millesimet!
>
> Hmmmm. I see what you mean.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wi1j-rpcEw
> There aren't any young men singing in the choir and the orchestra
> appears to be all youngsters.
>
> Wouldn't that be a millet? My high school band would have been
> something like an octaget
> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
>
> Alas, the format of the website makes inlining difficult.
>
> Ensemble has the hazard of ending the "argument" (discussion or
> conversation for the civilized) and collapsing the wave function...
>
> -Jennifer
>
>
>
> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: matthew@-----.uk
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:14:58 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
> I shall look forward to your treating me to Pizza. Shall we say Naples?
> Seems only fitting?
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Leeson [mailto:dnleeson@-----.net]
> Sent: 25 September 2010 18:24
> To: Klarinet
> Subject: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>
> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
> the
> link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In that
> text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct orthography
> for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with lower case "g"
> and
> upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download, the
> identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If you
> want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who
> downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have
> to
> have a pizza with me.
>
> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
>
> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
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> From: helen.jennifer@-----.com
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:17:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
> wrote:
>> The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem
>> to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be
>> abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as
>> always) oddities:>>
>
> Regarding the thoughts above:
> I would think they would be cardinal. We are not indicating order of
> anything. It is indicating how many there are, just as we use regular
> cardinal numbers (this is *one* [cardinal] message I am sending out.
> This is not the *first* [ordinal] message I am sending out within the
> last hour.) To play Brahms clarinet trio, you don't have to have a
> duo and a solo in the wings of the stage (not even implied). All you
> have to have is the cello, piano and clarinet.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Regarding the conversation below:
> But sextet is well established. I hear that all the time. But I
> don't hear dectet or decet.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:23 AM, <bdaniluk@-----.net> wrote:
>> no more than 6et would be sexet...
>>
>> Sep 25, 2010 09:12:30 AM, klarinet@-----.com wrote:
>> Suppose 10et would be decet, rather than dectet?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt wrote:
>>> Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra t) where the c is hard
>>> rather than soft despite the following e. After all it is nonet not
>>> nontet.
>>> Roger H
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Jennifer Jones
>>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>>>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List"
>>>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
>>>> Keith Bowen
>>>> wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> > We are also doing an arrangement of the Masonic
>>>> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
>>>>
>>>> The best I've come up with is undectet.
>>>>
>>>> 12et would be dodectet.
>>>>
>>>> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
>>>>
>>>> I don't hear those words much.
>>>>
>>>> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
>>>>
>>>> -Jennifer
>
>
>
> --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage--
> From: rogerclarinet@-----.uk
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:34:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>
> What I meant about the confusion about ordinal/cardinal is that some of
> the prefices are officially ordinal, some cardinal, but all have been used
> (sometimes incorrectly therefore) for the cardinal use of a count of the
> number of parts. If we were to use only cardinal prefices the names would
> have been duet, triet, quadret, quinquet, sexet, septimet, octet, novemet,
> then as before.
> Roger
>
> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 19:17
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM,
>> Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but
>> at first can't seem to decide whether they are cardinal or
>> ordinal and whether to be abrreviated or not. The
>> ending is always -et, but the first few are (as always)
>> oddities:>>
>>
>> Regarding the thoughts above:
>> I would think they would be cardinal. We are not
>> indicating order of
>> anything. It is indicating how many there are, just
>> as we use regular
>> cardinal numbers (this is *one* [cardinal] message I am
>> sending out.
>> This is not the *first* [ordinal] message I am sending out
>> within the
>> last hour.) To play Brahms clarinet trio, you don't
>> have to have a
>> duo and a solo in the wings of the stage (not even
>> implied). All you
>> have to have is the cello, piano and clarinet.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Regarding the conversation below:
>> But sextet is well established. I hear that all the
>> time. But I
>> don't hear dectet or decet.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:23 AM, <bdaniluk@-----.net>
>> wrote:
>> > no more than 6et would be sexet...
>> >
>> > Sep 25, 2010 09:12:30 AM, klarinet@-----.com
>> wrote:
>> > Suppose 10et would be decet, rather than dectet?
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt
>> wrote:
>> >> Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra
>> t) where the c is hard rather than soft despite the
>> following e. After all it is nonet not nontet.
>> >> Roger H
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Jennifer Jones
>> >>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in
>> BFlat
>> >>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List"
>> >>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
>> >>> Keith Bowen
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>> > We are also doing an arrangement of the
>> Masonic
>> >>> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
>> >>>
>> >>> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
>> >>>
>> >>> The best I've come up with is undectet.
>> >>>
>> >>> 12et would be dodectet.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't hear those words much.
>> >>>
>> >>> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Jennifer
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