Klarinet Archive - Posting 000662.txt from 2010/09
From: Ton Damm <tondamm@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] gran Partitta Pizza
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:35:38 -0400
Dan,
When you're in the Netherlands ...........
Best regards,
Ton Damm
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From: rogerclarinet@-----.uk
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:01:40 +0000
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as always) oddities:
1 solo
2 duo or du-
3 trio
4 quart-
5 quint-
6 sext-
7 sept-
8 oct-
9 non-
10 dec-
11 undec-
12 dodec-
13 tredec-
14 quattuordec-
15 quin(qua)dec-
16 sexdec-
17 sept(en)dec-
18 octodec-
19 novendec- (or novemdec-)
20 vigesim-
30 trigesim-
and so on. Mahler 8 is a millesimet!
The series is not at all consistent and italian names follow slightly different prefices and is a little more consistent.
I've no doubt many scholars will disagree with some of the above, but short of a "1984"-style revamp of the language the terms are set.
Dictionaries often stop defining with octet or, in some cases, nonet, so the rest are somewhat less definitive.
Roger H
--- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com> wrote:
> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 15:09
> That does sound better.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
> wrote:
> > Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra t)
> where the c is hard rather than soft despite the following
> e. After all it is nonet not nontet.
> > Roger H
> >
> > --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in
> BFlat
> >> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> >> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
> >> Keith Bowen <keith.bowen@-----.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >> > We are also doing an arrangement of the
> Masonic
> >> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
> >>
> >> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
> >>
> >> The best I've come up with is undectet.
> >>
> >> 12et would be dodectet.
> >>
> >> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
> >>
> >> I don't hear those words much.
> >>
> >> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
> >>
> >> -Jennifer
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From: grabnerwg@-----.com
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:22:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
<<I don't hear those words much.
11et and 12et sound just about as good.>>
How about ensemble? Hopefully the audience can count.
Walter Grabner
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From: dnleeson@-----.net
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:24:09 -0700
Subject: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with lower case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download, the identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If you want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have to have a pizza with me.
https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
Dan Leeson
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From: rachaelalice@-----.com
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:31:02 +0200
Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
I just downloaded the chapter, if you ever are in Israel, I'll be happy to
have a kosher Pizza in Jerusalem with you!
Rachael Orbach
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Dan Leeson <dnleeson@-----.net> wrote:
> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
> the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In
> that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct
> orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with lower
> case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download, the
> identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If you
> want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who
> downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have to
> have a pizza with me.
>
> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
>
> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
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From: dnleeson@-----.net
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:33:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
Well if I get to Jerusalem we will share a falafel with a fiery hot sauce,
thankyou.
Dan Leeson
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From: "Rachael" <rachaelalice@-----.com>
To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
>I just downloaded the chapter, if you ever are in Israel, I'll be happy to
> have a kosher Pizza in Jerusalem with you!
>
> Rachael Orbach
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Dan Leeson <dnleeson@-----.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on
>> the link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In
>> that text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct
>> orthography for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with
>> lower
>> case "g" and upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download,
>> the
>> identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If
>> you
>> want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who
>> downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have
>> to
>> have a pizza with me.
>>
>> https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
>>
>> Dan Leeson
>> dnleeson@-----.net
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>
>
>
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>
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From: helen.jennifer@-----.com
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:05:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk> wrote:
> The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as always) oddities:
> 1 solo
> 2 duo or du-
> 3 trio
> 4 quart-
> 5 quint-
> 6 sext-
> 7 sept-
> 8 oct-
> 9 non-
> 10 dec-
> 11 undec-
> 12 dodec-
> 13 tredec-
> 14 quattuordec-
> 15 quin(qua)dec-
> 16 sexdec-
> 17 sept(en)dec-
> 18 octodec-
> 19 novendec- (or novemdec-)
> 20 vigesim-
> 30 trigesim-
>
> and so on. Mahler 8 is a millesimet!
Hmmmm. I see what you mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wi1j-rpcEw
There aren't any young men singing in the choir and the orchestra
appears to be all youngsters.
Wouldn't that be a millet? My high school band would have been
something like an octaget
http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
Alas, the format of the website makes inlining difficult.
Ensemble has the hazard of ending the "argument" (discussion or
conversation for the civilized) and collapsing the wave function...
-Jennifer
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From: matthew@-----.uk
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:14:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
I shall look forward to your treating me to Pizza. Shall we say Naples?
Seems only fitting?
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Leeson [mailto:dnleeson@-----.net]
Sent: 25 September 2010 18:24
To: Klarinet
Subject: [kl] Let's get one spelling for the subtitle
I have extracted chapter 5 from my book about K. 361, and by clicking on the
link below, you will be able to download that chapter to your PC. In that
text is the logic underlying what I believe to be the correct orthography
for the subtitle of K. 361, namely, "gran Partitta," with lower case "g" and
upper case "P". While I will be informed of every download, the
identification of the person doing the download is not given to me. If you
want someone else to see the chapter, just send them the link. Anyone who
downloads the chapter will, someday and under unclear circumstances, have to
have a pizza with me.
https://dnleeson.sharefile.com/d/scb91c4649114be7b
Dan Leeson
dnleeson@-----.net
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From: helen.jennifer@-----.com
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:17:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk> wrote:
> The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but at first can't seem to decide whether they are cardinal or ordinal and whether to be abrreviated or not. The ending is always -et, but the first few are (as always) oddities:>>
Regarding the thoughts above:
I would think they would be cardinal. We are not indicating order of
anything. It is indicating how many there are, just as we use regular
cardinal numbers (this is *one* [cardinal] message I am sending out.
This is not the *first* [ordinal] message I am sending out within the
last hour.) To play Brahms clarinet trio, you don't have to have a
duo and a solo in the wings of the stage (not even implied). All you
have to have is the cello, piano and clarinet.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the conversation below:
But sextet is well established. I hear that all the time. But I
don't hear dectet or decet.
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:23 AM, <bdaniluk@-----.net> wrote:
> no more than 6et would be sexet...
>
> Sep 25, 2010 09:12:30 AM, klarinet@-----.com wrote:
> Suppose 10et would be decet, rather than dectet?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt wrote:
>> Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra t) where the c is hard rather than soft despite the following e. After all it is nonet not nontet.
>> Roger H
>>
>> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jennifer Jones
>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
>>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List"
>>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
>>> Keith Bowen
>>> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> > We are also doing an arrangement of the Masonic
>>> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
>>>
>>> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
>>>
>>> The best I've come up with is undectet.
>>>
>>> 12et would be dodectet.
>>>
>>> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
>>>
>>> I don't hear those words much.
>>>
>>> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
>>>
>>> -Jennifer
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From: rogerclarinet@-----.uk
To: klarinet@-----.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:34:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
What I meant about the confusion about ordinal/cardinal is that some of the prefices are officially ordinal, some cardinal, but all have been used (sometimes incorrectly therefore) for the cardinal use of a count of the number of parts. If we were to use only cardinal prefices the names would have been duet, triet, quadret, quinquet, sexet, septimet, octet, novemet, then as before.
Roger
--- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com> wrote:
> From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in BFlat
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 19:17
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM,
> Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>
> wrote:
> > The prefices basically follow the latin sequence, but
> at first can't seem to decide whether they are cardinal or
> ordinal and whether to be abrreviated or not. The
> ending is always -et, but the first few are (as always)
> oddities:>>
>
> Regarding the thoughts above:
> I would think they would be cardinal. We are not
> indicating order of
> anything. It is indicating how many there are, just
> as we use regular
> cardinal numbers (this is *one* [cardinal] message I am
> sending out.
> This is not the *first* [ordinal] message I am sending out
> within the
> last hour.) To play Brahms clarinet trio, you don't
> have to have a
> duo and a solo in the wings of the stage (not even
> implied). All you
> have to have is the cello, piano and clarinet.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Regarding the conversation below:
> But sextet is well established. I hear that all the
> time. But I
> don't hear dectet or decet.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:23 AM, <bdaniluk@-----.net>
> wrote:
> > no more than 6et would be sexet...
> >
> > Sep 25, 2010 09:12:30 AM, klarinet@-----.com
> wrote:
> > Suppose 10et would be decet, rather than dectet?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Roger Hewitt
> wrote:
> >> Surely it would be undecet and dodecet (not extra
> t) where the c is hard rather than soft despite the
> following e. After all it is nonet not nontet.
> >> Roger H
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 25/9/10, Jennifer Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Jennifer Jones
> >>> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partita ContraBass in
> BFlat
> >>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List"
> >>> Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 11:49
> >>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM,
> >>> Keith Bowen
> >>> wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>> > We are also doing an arrangement of the
> Masonic
> >>> Funeral Music, for wind 11et
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering what to call an 11et:
> >>>
> >>> The best I've come up with is undectet.
> >>>
> >>> 12et would be dodectet.
> >>>
> >>> http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html
> >>>
> >>> I don't hear those words much.
> >>>
> >>> 11et and 12et sound just about as good.
> >>>
> >>> -Jennifer
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