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> =A0 1. Re: Wikipedia Clarinet Page (Curtis Bennett)
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> =A0 4. Re: Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!! (Dan Leeson)
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> =A0 8. Re: Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!! (Dan Leeson)
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> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:52:09 -0700
> From: Curtis Bennett <curtis.bennett@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Wikipedia Clarinet Page
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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> Feel free to fix it. that's the beauty of Wikipedia.
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:50 AM, K S <krsmav@-----.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just looked at the Wikipedia clarinet page.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarinet There's plenty of stuff there,
>> but it definitely needs work. ?For example, it says that the basset
>> clarinet exists only in A and that the Mozart Concerto was "rewritten"
>> for it. ?And there's no mention of this list. ?In particular, the list
>> of sources is really weak.
>>
>> Ken Shaw
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Curtis Bennett
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:34:18 -0400
> From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> Subject: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: klarinet@-----.com
> Message-ID: <0L26006TG3OZ7REA@-----.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
>
> I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
> through translate.google.com and you can see that
> our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>
>
> Ricordo anch'io la scarsa considerazione della critica americana (il soli=
to
> D. Leeson). La si pu? rileggere nella seguente pagina d'archivio:
> http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt
> Vi sono contenute alcune critiche intelligenti assieme ad altre molto meno
> condivisibili.
> Il continuo muoversi del solista viene considerata una distrazione che
> distoglie dall'ascolto.
> Anche un'altra recente americanata batte su questo punto, questa volta pe=
r?
> sabagliando completamente bersaglio.
> Se la prende infatti con i musicisti dell'orchestra che, a suo dire, =A0c=
on i
> loro movimenti e il continuo ammiccarsi l'un l'altro sarebbero ridicoli (=
per
> giustificare il suo rilievo scomoda persino Toscanini...). L'autore del
> messaggio dimentica che l'orchestra barocca suona senza direttore e dunqu=
e i
> musicisti sono obbligati a tenersi d'occhio e soprattutto ad avere il pri=
mo
> violino come riferimento principale.
>
> Direi semplicemente:
> ... non ti curar di lor ma guarda e passa...
>
> Ciao
>
> Alberto
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diego Casadei" <casadei.diego@-----.com>
> To: "The Italian Mailing List for Clarinetists" <clair@-----.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [clair] K622
>
>
> Tempo fa tale esecuzione ? stata un po' "bistrattata" sulla lista
> americana (*) ... anche se secondo me la gente ? stata troppo
> inclemente. =A0Io non riesco nemmeno a credere che si possa suonare usando
> uno strumento che sembra una canna lacustre... (l'unico che ha fatto di
> meglio, che io sappia, ? Tony Pay con i primi due concerti di Spohr).
> Avete notato la legatura dell'ancia? =A0Chi sa se si ? persino fabbricato
> l'ancia da solo? =A0Vi ? venuto il sospetto che stacchi parecchio perch?
> il legato su alcuni passaggi sarebbe scomodo?
>
> Secondo me Coppola ? stato un grande.
>
> Diego
>
> (*) L'unica lode unisona fu per la flautista, anche se la violinista non
> ? passata inosservata :-)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:56:48 -0400
> From: "charette@-----.org>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <4BE72190.4070802@-----.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
>
> On 5/9/2010 3:34 PM, Fred wrote:
>> I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
>> through translate.google.com and you can see that
>> our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>>
>
> Dan and Fred's views? Your language is unclear, because it might not be
> my view ... a
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:13 -0700
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <F49CA8C4D04B48D9A5CEA3C5379A36CC@danielsys>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0reply-type=3Doriginal
>
> I do not have any recollection of having made any recent comments about t=
he
> bobbing and weaving, or for that matter about any Italian clarinet player=
or
> playing. The reference given for my alleged comment is
> http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt, but when I
> tried to look at the link, it was broken.
>
> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred" <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
>
>
> I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
> through translate.google.com and you can see that
> our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>
>
> Ricordo anch'io la scarsa considerazione della critica americana (il soli=
to
> D. Leeson). La si pu? rileggere nella seguente pagina d'archivio:
> http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt
> Vi sono contenute alcune critiche intelligenti assieme ad altre molto meno
> condivisibili.
> Il continuo muoversi del solista viene considerata una distrazione che
> distoglie dall'ascolto.
> Anche un'altra recente americanata batte su questo punto, questa volta pe=
r?
> sabagliando completamente bersaglio.
> Se la prende infatti con i musicisti dell'orchestra che, a suo dire, =A0c=
on i
> loro movimenti e il continuo ammiccarsi l'un l'altro sarebbero ridicoli (=
per
> giustificare il suo rilievo scomoda persino Toscanini...). L'autore del
> messaggio dimentica che l'orchestra barocca suona senza direttore e dunqu=
e i
> musicisti sono obbligati a tenersi d'occhio e soprattutto ad avere il pri=
mo
> violino come riferimento principale.
>
> Direi semplicemente:
> ... non ti curar di lor ma guarda e passa...
>
> Ciao
>
> Alberto
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diego Casadei" <casadei.diego@-----.com>
> To: "The Italian Mailing List for Clarinetists" <clair@-----.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [clair] K622
>
>
> Tempo fa tale esecuzione ? stata un po' "bistrattata" sulla lista
> americana (*) ... anche se secondo me la gente ? stata troppo
> inclemente. =A0Io non riesco nemmeno a credere che si possa suonare usando
> uno strumento che sembra una canna lacustre... (l'unico che ha fatto di
> meglio, che io sappia, ? Tony Pay con i primi due concerti di Spohr).
> Avete notato la legatura dell'ancia? =A0Chi sa se si ? persino fabbricato
> l'ancia da solo? =A0Vi ? venuto il sospetto che stacchi parecchio perch?
> il legato su alcuni passaggi sarebbe scomodo?
>
> Secondo me Coppola ? stato un grande.
>
> Diego
>
> (*) L'unica lode unisona fu per la flautista, anche se la violinista non
> ? passata inosservata :-)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Klarinet mailing list
> Klarinet@-----.com
> http://klarinet-list.serve-music.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 17:27:41 -0400
> From: "charette@-----.org>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <4BE728CD.300@-----.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
>
> On 5/9/2010 5:19 PM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>> I do not have any recollection of having made any recent comments about =
the
>> bobbing and weaving, or for that matter about any Italian clarinet playe=
r or
>> playing. The reference given for my alleged comment is
>> http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt, but when=
I
>> tried to look at the link, it was broken.
>>
>
> Working on it, Dan. You did make a note of it.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 17:30:05 -0400
> From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <0L26006ZT91YD110@-----.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed
>
> Yes Dan and Fred's views, not the entire list. =A0I read a similar
> negative comment about excessive body motion in the post by Dan
> singled out by the Italian list member. =A0Then he referred to me as
> "the author" of the other comment.
>
> This is all for fun though. =A0It is opinions. =A0I stand by my opinion
> and do not force it on anyone. =A0In the eyes of some I may be right
> and in the eyes of others I may be wrong. =A0So what! =A0That is what
> makes life interesting.
>
>
>
>
> At 04:56 PM 5/9/2010, you wrote:
>>On 5/9/2010 3:34 PM, Fred wrote:
>> > I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
>> > through translate.google.com and you can see that
>> > our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>> >
>>
>>Dan and Fred's views? Your language is unclear, because it might not be
>>my view ... a
>>_______________________________________________
>>Klarinet mailing list
>>Klarinet@-----.com
>>http://klarinet-list.serve-music.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 17:31:19 -0400
> From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <0L26001EN93ZRA23@-----.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
>
> Here it is:
>
>
> Klarinet Archive - Posting 000100.txt from 2009/10
>
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subj: Re: [kl] Lorenzo Coppola plays K. 622
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:56:52 -0400
>
> You asked for my opinion of Coppola's performance, so here it is. I would
> not have given it if it had not been asked for.
>
> There are many good things to be said about his performance. I admire very
> much that can play an instrument that is so primitive (as contrasted with
> what we have today) and still carry it off so well, though not perfectly.
> It is somewhat like watching an elephant dance. It isn't that he dances so
> perfectly, it's that he can dance at all.
>
> But the performance was not without its problems. Right at the top of the
> heap is the high g played in the final movement. There is no authority for
> that note, and in no manuscript of Mozart does it appear. It is simply a
> 20th century insertion that is of questionable presence. I think the high=
est
> note that can be found in Mozart's autograph is the high e (the fourth and
> fifth notes in the theme of the gran Partitta's variations movements).
>
> His improvisations were too few and very ordinary. It appears to me that =
he
> was unwilling or unable to put his own stamp on the work. He should be
> demonstrating his improvisatory imagination a lot more than he did.
>
> His playing of rapid passages occasionally are rushed. In one case, he co=
me
> to the end of the measure and had to wait for the orchestra to catch up w=
ith
> him before going to the next measure.
>
> The execution of trills were reminiscent of Brahms not Mozart. He would
> start a trill slowly and then speed up to the final tempo. The current
> thing on Mozartean trills is to hit them at a tempo that is sustained for
> the length of the trill. That he attacked the trill from above was very
> nice.
>
> His tonguing ran into problems on rapid descending lines. Ascending lines
> are much easier because removal of fingers in an ascending line is not as
> demanding as covering holes, one after the other, in descending lines.
>
> Body motions in playing were disruptive. He bowed and often bent at the
> knees. It's awkward to watch. That used to drive me crazy with the
> wonderful clarinetist who teaches at Michigan state, Elsa Ludwig Verdeer
> (spelling?). Much too much body motion. It distracts from the music.
>
> A small squeak in the third movement, but with that instrument I'm surpri=
sed
> that it happened only once.
>
> The eingang in the second movement is so ordinary that every body plays i=
t,
> and it also is used in the clarinet quintet, as if no one can invent an
> eingang of their own.
>
> The low note usage was good but a lot more could have been done.
>
> Bottom line is that his playing is fussy.
>
> The main difficulty he will have as a performer with K. 622, is that he m=
ay
> only be able to play the work with a baroque orchestra that can accompany=
at
> his pitch. It is a limiting factor that inhibits performances.
>
> Can someone tell me where he is from and with what orchestra he plays? I
> presume he is Italian.
>
> And oh yes, the brunette playing second flute is even more gorgeous than =
at
> my first look.
>
> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Wakeling" <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Lorenzo Coppola plays K. 622
>
> =A0> Dan Leeson wrote:
> =A0>> I really have nothing significant to say about his performance. For=
one
> =A0>> thing, the YouTube piece contained only a part of the first movemen=
t.
> =A0>> If there is more I don't know about it. And one cannot judge a
> =A0>> performance by only a small part of the music.
> =A0>
> =A0> The whole performance is there:
> =A0>
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dja8mbwpAZwU
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQtMVYdQxgU4
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM0uDCLb0RIc
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-CyZmoB7mjk
> =A0>
>
>
> At 05:19 PM 5/9/2010, you wrote:
>>I do not have any recollection of having made any recent comments about t=
he
>>bobbing and weaving, or for that matter about any Italian clarinet player=
or
>>playing. The reference given for my alleged comment is
>>http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt, but when I
>>tried to look at the link, it was broken.
>>
>>Dan Leeson
>>dnleeson@-----.net
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fred" <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
>>To: <klarinet@-----.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:34 PM
>>Subject: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
>>
>>
>>I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
>>through translate.google.com and you can see that
>>our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Ricordo anch'io la scarsa considerazione della critica americana (il soli=
to
>>D. Leeson). La si pu? rileggere nella seguente pagina d'archivio:
>>http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt
>>Vi sono contenute alcune critiche intelligenti assieme ad altre molto meno
>>condivisibili.
>>Il continuo muoversi del solista viene considerata una distrazione che
>>distoglie dall'ascolto.
>>Anche un'altra recente americanata batte su questo punto, questa volta pe=
r?
>>sabagliando completamente bersaglio.
>>Se la prende infatti con i musicisti dell'orchestra che, a suo dire, =A0c=
on i
>>loro movimenti e il continuo ammiccarsi l'un l'altro sarebbero ridicoli (=
per
>>giustificare il suo rilievo scomoda persino Toscanini...). L'autore del
>>messaggio dimentica che l'orchestra barocca suona senza direttore e dunqu=
e i
>>musicisti sono obbligati a tenersi d'occhio e soprattutto ad avere il pri=
mo
>>violino come riferimento principale.
>>
>>Direi semplicemente:
>>... non ti curar di lor ma guarda e passa...
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>Alberto
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Diego Casadei" <casadei.diego@-----.com>
>>To: "The Italian Mailing List for Clarinetists" <clair@-----.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [clair] K622
>>
>>
>>Tempo fa tale esecuzione ? stata un po' "bistrattata" sulla lista
>>americana (*) ... anche se secondo me la gente ? stata troppo
>>inclemente. =A0Io non riesco nemmeno a credere che si possa suonare usando
>>uno strumento che sembra una canna lacustre... (l'unico che ha fatto di
>>meglio, che io sappia, ? Tony Pay con i primi due concerti di Spohr).
>>Avete notato la legatura dell'ancia? =A0Chi sa se si ? persino fabbricato
>>l'ancia da solo? =A0Vi ? venuto il sospetto che stacchi parecchio perch?
>>il legato su alcuni passaggi sarebbe scomodo?
>>
>>Secondo me Coppola ? stato un grande.
>>
>>Diego
>>
>>(*) L'unica lode unisona fu per la flautista, anche se la violinista non
>>? passata inosservata :-)
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Klarinet mailing list
>>Klarinet@-----.com
>>http://klarinet-list.serve-music.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Klarinet mailing list
>>Klarinet@-----.com
>>http://klarinet-list.serve-music.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:04:55 -0700
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Message-ID: <16CC2555BB7940B197A68B3028EB249E@danielsys>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0reply-type=3Doriginal
>
> Now I remember. =A0Thanks Fred.
>
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred" <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
>
>
> Here it is:
>
>
> Klarinet Archive - Posting 000100.txt from 2009/10
>
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subj: Re: [kl] Lorenzo Coppola plays K. 622
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:56:52 -0400
>
> You asked for my opinion of Coppola's performance, so here it is. I would
> not have given it if it had not been asked for.
>
> There are many good things to be said about his performance. I admire very
> much that can play an instrument that is so primitive (as contrasted with
> what we have today) and still carry it off so well, though not perfectly.
> It is somewhat like watching an elephant dance. It isn't that he dances so
> perfectly, it's that he can dance at all.
>
> But the performance was not without its problems. Right at the top of the
> heap is the high g played in the final movement. There is no authority for
> that note, and in no manuscript of Mozart does it appear. It is simply a
> 20th century insertion that is of questionable presence. I think the high=
est
> note that can be found in Mozart's autograph is the high e (the fourth and
> fifth notes in the theme of the gran Partitta's variations movements).
>
> His improvisations were too few and very ordinary. It appears to me that =
he
> was unwilling or unable to put his own stamp on the work. He should be
> demonstrating his improvisatory imagination a lot more than he did.
>
> His playing of rapid passages occasionally are rushed. In one case, he co=
me
> to the end of the measure and had to wait for the orchestra to catch up w=
ith
> him before going to the next measure.
>
> The execution of trills were reminiscent of Brahms not Mozart. He would
> start a trill slowly and then speed up to the final tempo. The current
> thing on Mozartean trills is to hit them at a tempo that is sustained for
> the length of the trill. That he attacked the trill from above was very
> nice.
>
> His tonguing ran into problems on rapid descending lines. Ascending lines
> are much easier because removal of fingers in an ascending line is not as
> demanding as covering holes, one after the other, in descending lines.
>
> Body motions in playing were disruptive. He bowed and often bent at the
> knees. It's awkward to watch. That used to drive me crazy with the
> wonderful clarinetist who teaches at Michigan state, Elsa Ludwig Verdeer
> (spelling?). Much too much body motion. It distracts from the music.
>
> A small squeak in the third movement, but with that instrument I'm surpri=
sed
> that it happened only once.
>
> The eingang in the second movement is so ordinary that every body plays i=
t,
> and it also is used in the clarinet quintet, as if no one can invent an
> eingang of their own.
>
> The low note usage was good but a lot more could have been done.
>
> Bottom line is that his playing is fussy.
>
> The main difficulty he will have as a performer with K. 622, is that he m=
ay
> only be able to play the work with a baroque orchestra that can accompany=
at
> his pitch. It is a limiting factor that inhibits performances.
>
> Can someone tell me where he is from and with what orchestra he plays? I
> presume he is Italian.
>
> And oh yes, the brunette playing second flute is even more gorgeous than =
at
> my first look.
>
> Dan Leeson
> dnleeson@-----.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Wakeling" <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Lorenzo Coppola plays K. 622
>
> =A0> Dan Leeson wrote:
> =A0>> I really have nothing significant to say about his performance. For=
one
> =A0>> thing, the YouTube piece contained only a part of the first movemen=
t.
> =A0>> If there is more I don't know about it. And one cannot judge a
> =A0>> performance by only a small part of the music.
> =A0>
> =A0> The whole performance is there:
> =A0>
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dja8mbwpAZwU
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQtMVYdQxgU4
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM0uDCLb0RIc
> =A0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-CyZmoB7mjk
> =A0>
>
>
> At 05:19 PM 5/9/2010, you wrote:
>>I do not have any recollection of having made any recent comments about t=
he
>>bobbing and weaving, or for that matter about any Italian clarinet player
>>or
>>playing. The reference given for my alleged comment is
>>http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt, but when I
>>tried to look at the link, it was broken.
>>
>>Dan Leeson
>>dnleeson@-----.net
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fred" <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
>>To: <klarinet@-----.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:34 PM
>>Subject: [kl] Dan and Fred get flamed from Italy!!!!
>>
>>
>>I read this on the Italian clarinet list- put it
>>through translate.google.com and you can see that
>>our views about bobbing and weaving were not well received!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Ricordo anch'io la scarsa considerazione della critica americana (il soli=
to
>>D. Leeson). La si pu? rileggere nella seguente pagina d'archivio:
>>http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2009/10/000100.txt
>>Vi sono contenute alcune critiche intelligenti assieme ad altre molto meno
>>condivisibili.
>>Il continuo muoversi del solista viene considerata una distrazione che
>>distoglie dall'ascolto.
>>Anche un'altra recente americanata batte su questo punto, questa volta pe=
r?
>>sabagliando completamente bersaglio.
>>Se la prende infatti con i musicisti dell'orchestra che, a suo dire, =A0c=
on i
>>loro movimenti e il continuo ammiccarsi l'un l'altro sarebbero ridicoli
>>(per
>>giustificare il suo rilievo scomoda persino Toscanini...). L'autore del
>>messaggio dimentica che l'orchestra barocca suona senza direttore e dunque
>>i
>>musicisti sono obbligati a tenersi d'occhio e soprattutto ad avere il pri=
mo
>>violino come riferimento principale.
>>
>>Direi semplicemente:
>>... non ti curar di lor ma guarda e passa...
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>Alberto
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Diego Casadei" <casadei.diego@-----.com>
>>To: "The Italian Mailing List for Clarinetists" <clair@-----.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [clair] K622
>>
>>
>>Tempo fa tale esecuzione ? stata un po' "bistrattata" sulla lista
>>americana (*) ... anche se secondo me la gente ? stata troppo
>>inclemente. =A0Io non riesco nemmeno a credere che si possa suonare usando
>>uno strumento che sembra una canna lacustre... (l'unico che ha fatto di
>>meglio, che io sappia, ? Tony Pay con i primi due concerti di Spohr).
>>Avete notato la legatura dell'ancia? =A0Chi sa se si ? persino fabbricato
>>l'ancia da solo? =A0Vi ? venuto il sospetto che stacchi parecchio perch?
>>il legato su alcuni passaggi sarebbe scomodo?
>>
>>Secondo me Coppola ? stato un grande.
>>
>>Diego
>>
>>(*) L'unica lode unisona fu per la flautista, anche se la violinista non
>>? passata inosservata :-)
>>
>>
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