Klarinet Archive - Posting 000233.txt from 2010/08
From: Jennifer Jones <helen.jennifer@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Cantabile
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:22:26 -0400
Dear Michael,
What do you mean "5th bar of the second group"? On first reading,
that suggested the clarion D Eb F marked pp five bars after sotto voce
(marked B). However, I can't figure out how "second group" would
apply to that. What appears to be a second group is marked piu p in
the reprise beginning with the Ab octave jump (marked I). Since piu
means more, it seems that piu p would be equivalent to pp. But I
don't know the idiosyncracies of these words or the idiosyncracies of
Brahms to feel certain.
The edition that I am looking at the Schirmer's library of musical
classics; masterworks for clarinet and piano G. Schirmer New York /
London 1951
Does anyone know the relation between pp and piu p? I remember pp
from gradeschool as double piano and pianissimo, but I notice the
similarity between piu p and pp and since piu means more, begins with
p, and pp means more piano than p, I wonder if pp is an abbreviation
for piu piano. However, I cannot find any indication on the web that
this is the case. Is there someone who knows the answer to this or
has a reference that would shed light on this issue?
Thank you for your kind attention.
Sincerely,
Jennifer Jones
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Michael Whight
<michaelwhight@-----.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> The Brahms Eb first movement seems to me to have an overall cantabile sty=
le though there are differentiations from the amabile opening to the sotto =
voce second group. Rudolf Barshai advised me to consider this as 'loud but =
soft' whereas Kurt Sanderling believed that sotto voce in Brahms was less t=
han pp so the pp that occurs in the 5th bar of the second group is actually=
louder or to put it more musically an opening of the espressivo, a glimpse=
of light in the surrounding darkness.
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http://wapedia.mobi/en/Glossary_of_musical_terminology?t=3D7.
Wapedia says:
* pianissimo or pp (usually): very gently; i.e., perform very
softly, even softer than piano. This convention can be extended; the
more ps that are written, the softer the composer wants the musician
to play or sing, thus ppp (pianississimo) would be softer than pp.
Dynamics in a piece should be interpreted relative to the other
dynamics in the same piece. For example, pp should be executed as
softly as possible, but if ppp is found later in the piece, pp should
be markedly louder than ppp. More than three ps (ppp) or three fs
(fff) are uncommon.
* pi=F9: more; see mosso for an example
Wikipedia says:
Pianissimo is an Italian word, meaning "very soft".[1] It can mean:
* Pianissimo, refers to the volume of a soft sound or soft note.
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=3Dpianissimo says:
Noun * S: (n) piano, pianissimo ((music) low loudness)
Adjective * S: (adj) pianissimo (chiefly a direction or
description in music; very soft)
Adverb * S: (adv) pianissimo, very softly (a direction in music;
to be played very softly)
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