Klarinet Archive - Posting 000152.txt from 2010/06

From: "Mike Vaccaro" <mike@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Clarinet question on the Ibert sax concertino
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:38:32 -0400

Wow Dan. You are the man.

Mike Vaccaro
www.MikeVaccaro.Com

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From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:13 PM
To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] Clarinet question on the Ibert sax concertino

> The practice of writing for certain transposing instruments in the written
> key of C major can be traced back to how composers wrote for transposing
> instruments.
>
> Originally clarinets were only in the written key of C and F. Eventually
> the written key of G was accommodated.
>
> Mozart, in giving lessons to an English student explicitly wrote this as a
> rule in the margin of the student's workbook, and he wrote it in English.
>
> Once one needed clarinets (or basset horns) to play in keys other than C,
> F,
> and G, a practice arose that always placed the instruments in written C
> major, with all of the accidentals that would be need for the key written
> in
> the parts. So when Mozart writes for a clarinet in D majors, he write
> part
> in written C major and then puts sharps on the notes C and F.
>
> I suspect that, after a while, it became easier for the composer to write
> a
> score with all transposing instrument in written C major, but with
> accidentals added where needed. The saxophone, as a transposing
> instrument,
> would fall into that category which may explain Ibert's practice for his
> saxophone concerto.
>
> Robert Levin and I wrote a paper on this phenomenon about 10 years ago.
> It
> is in an issue of the Mozart Jahrbuch, and the referenced is, "1998 Mozart
> Jahrbuch, pp. 139-152, "Mozart's Deliberate Use of Incorrect Key
> Signatures
> for Clarinets"
>
> It is not a universal practice but one does see it from time to time.
>
> Dan Leeson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Foss" <billfoss47@-----.net>
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:51 PM
> Subject: [kl] Clarinet question on the Ibert sax concertino
>
>
>> Yes, this is a clarinet question, even though the subject is the
>> Ibert, Concertino da Camera for alto sax and chamber ensemble.
>>
>> I have just received a study score (LeDuc) and all parts are notated
>> with a key signature of no flats or sharps - BUT it appears that the
>> clarinet part is notated in Bb, the horn part is notated in F, and
>> the Alto Sax part is notated in Eb.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if this is correct (and if it is - why ? ) ?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all assistance/clarification.
>>
>> Bill Foss
>> U.S. Army Retired
>> USC Aiken, Retired Woodwind Professor
>> Director of Bands, Aiken Prep
>>
>>
>>
>>
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