Klarinet Archive - Posting 000115.txt from 2010/06

From: "Keith Bowen" <keith.bowen@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] FW: Bass Clarinets for Stravinsky
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:19:29 -0400

Clinton

My apologies, you are quite right. I was guilty of writing from memory and
not checking my references. I used the 1921 Edition Russe, and the basses
are in Bb throughout.

The reason that I got confused was that I had referred to Stravinsky's use
of bass clarinet in Rite of Spring for a different purpose. He (or his
publisher in the 1921 edition) uses German notation (a second above sounding
pitch) for bass clef and French notation (a ninth above sounding pitch) for
treble clef parts; in contrast to Wagner, who uses bass and treble clef
consistently (hence treble clef parts have to be transposed up an octave by
a modern player). Stravinsky's mix is sometimes called Russian notation.

Many thanks for setting me right.

Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clinton F. Nieweg [mailto:proofferr@-----.net] =

Sent: 06 June 2010 19:39
To: klarinet@-----.com
Subject: [kl] FW: Bass Clarinets for Stravinsky

>>However, Stravinsky did call for the bass in A once, in the Rite of Spring
(1913), three years after Firebird, so he at least knew by then. =

Keith Bowen

>>However, did you use the printed score or did you investigate the original
manuscript in Stravinsky's hand?
Dan Leeson
>> I checked the original score of the first edition, in the Bodleian
Library. =

Keith Bowen
>>My Rite of Spring that we play in the orchestra is all in Bb. Was that
Bass clarinet in A in a ballet version? Otherwise, I too have seen no
Stravinsky works for bass clarinet in A.
Martin Arnold
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>>From CFN-
This publication is cataloged in the Bodleian but it is not an "original
score."
London : Boosey and Hawkes, 1947, c1921. =

Description 1 score (153 p.) ; 27 cm. =

Notes Publisher's no. : Hawkes Pocket Scores HPS638 =

Manufacturer No. B. & H.19441; Boosey and Hawkes =

Music Faculty Library Main Libr (Full score)

In doing research for a corrected edition for use in the U.S., I have had
the manuscript consulted and seen 7 published scores of Rite of Spring, but
I did not find the use of A bass clarinet for either Bass Clarinet I or II.
Both parts are written in both treble and bass clef always with a Bb
transposition.
Would you let us know the rehearsal system where you saw this change to A
bass clarinet from Bb bass clarinet?

Rite of Spring Sources:
1913: first performance [material unpublished]
1921: first published edition (=C9d.Russe de Musique) with changes from 191=
3,
1929: corrected edition of 1921 (=C9d.Russe de Musique) =

1943: revision of the Sacrificial Dance (Boosey) (changes in meters)
1947: "revised version" (Boosey; actually just corrections)
1965: more corrections (Boosey)
1967: re-engraved (Boosey)
2000: Critical edition (Kalmus; ed. Clinton F. Nieweg)

Clinton F. Nieweg.
proofferr(at)comcast(dot)net
Supervising Editor: Nieweg Performing Editions
http://www.kalmus-music.com/poe.php

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