Klarinet Archive - Posting 000089.txt from 2010/02

From: Nitai Levi <clarnibass@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Buffet Chaddash Bb Clarinet Barrel
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:09:39 -0500

Sorry, I should have explained in more detail. If you "apply perhaps three =
tiny dabs of shellac equally spaced to hold it in place" then you will lose=
the=A0advantage of using shellac.=0A=0AWhat you need to do is this:=0A- He=
at the metal ring while it is off the barrel (or joint). =0A- Coat the insi=
de with shellac. Stick shellac is most comfortable IMO but definitely don't=
use liquid shellac mixed with alcohol.=0A- Make sure to put enough=A0so af=
ter you put the=A0ring on the barrel the entire space between is filled wit=
h shellac.=0A- While the barrel=A0is still hot and the shellac is=A0liquid =
put the ring back on the barrel. Clean if there is any extra.=0A=0AThe adva=
ntage is that not only the=A0entire space=A0is filled, the filler is exactl=
y the correct amount in every area. You can't guarantee these two=A0(IMO im=
portant) aspects by shrinking the ring or using peper/plastic/nylon shim. S=
hellac is also excellent for support. In addition this is relatively easy a=
nd fast to do and also=A0redo in the (rare) case that a player moves to an =
area with=A0weather so significantly different that it's necessary. I haven=
't found any disadvantage to this method.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message=
----=0AFrom: g <kahngr@-----.org=0ASent: We=
d, February 17, 2010 2:33:30 PM=0ASubject: Re: [kl] Buffet Chaddash Bb Clar=
inet Barrel=0A=0AFirst, my sincere thanks to all who have taken the time to=
share their expertise and respond to my dilemma!=A0 I think I will, if nec=
essary, integrate the wonderful suggestions presented.=A0 To wit, I liberal=
ly coated the barrel with (Muncy Winds) bore oil, with ring on, and left it=
to allow time to have effect.=A0 This eve, I will no doubt check how much =
oil was absorbed, and if warranted apply a second coat.=A0 Rehearsing this =
eve, I can take/use the stock R13 Buffet barrel.=A0 I will most likely wait=
three days -- and, if the ring is still readily removable -- will at that =
time apply perhaps three tiny dabs of shellac equally spaced to hold it in =
place.=A0 Thank you again, to all!=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
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Nitai Levi wrote:=0A> I disagree with this. I'm familiar with all those met=
hods and consider gluing the ring the best method. Shrinking the ring has d=
isadvantages. Shimming can be done with many materials but there are still =
problems that I don't like. I can explain the disadvantages of these method=
s if you want. Gluing depends a lot of the type of glue. Super glue for exa=
mple is especially bad for this purpose. I found that the best glue for thi=
s is shellac. It has all the advantages the other methods don't but without=
the problems.=0A> =0A> To give credit, I first learned this from repairer =
Gordon Palmer and later found it myself too.=0A> =0A>=A0 =0A> =0A> ----- Or=
iginal Message ----=0A> From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.net>=0A> To=
: klarinet@-----.org=0A> Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 3:28:47 AM=0A> Sub=
ject: Re: [kl] Buffet Chaddash Bb Clarinet Barrel=0A> =0A> At 08:08 AM 2/16=
/2010, you wrote:=0A>=A0 =0A>> Hello:=0A>>=A0 =A0 I have a Chaddash Bb Clar=
inet barrel.=A0 The top ring comes off when I disassemble my R13; not loose=
enough to rattle...=A0 I do not believe it is from lack of humidity, as I =
keep a damp (distilled water) Planet Waves humidifier in (Buffet) case -- w=
hich is further kept in a zippered Olathe bag.=0A>>=A0 =A0 Are these rings =
a simple friction fit? Or, is a tad of a glue or epoxy used?=A0 I have two =
other similar Buffet barrels, with nary a problem.=A0 As to age(s), my 'net=
was made in 1999, and I'd assume barrels to be of similar vintage.=0A>>=A0=
=A0 Any/all suggestions -- 'specially if you've experienced (and repaired!=
) similar -- will be very much appreciated!=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 g :-)>=0A>>=A0 =A0 =0A> =0A> Every pie=
ce of wood is different.=A0 In any case DO NOT use any form of glue on the =
ring, and get it shimmed or shrunk as soon as possible.=A0 The ring is ther=
e to prevent the tenon socket from cracking, so it must be on tight.=A0 If =
it is glued, you cannot tell that it is loose.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Bill Haus=
mann=0A> =0A> If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO L=
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