Klarinet Archive - Posting 000074.txt from 2009/11
From: Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@-----.com> Subj: [kl] Re: klarinet Digest 10 Nov 2009 22:01:03 -0000 Issue 8588 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:26:44 -0500
klarinet-digest-help@-----.org wrote:
> klarinet Digest 10 Nov 2009 22:01:03 -0000 Issue 8588
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> Topics (messages 97256 through 97271):
>
> Re: Interesting C clarinet part
> 97256 by: Nitai Levi
> 97259 by: Dan Leeson
>
> Los Angeles Clarinet Choir Concert--Nov. 14
> 97257 by: Margaret Thornhill
>
> A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> 97258 by: Dan Leeson
> 97262 by: Audrey Travis
> 97265 by: Dan Leeson
> 97266 by: Fred
> 97269 by: John Dablin
> 97270 by: Jim Alguire
>
> Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
> 97260 by: Clark Fobes
> 97267 by: Forest Aten
> 97268 by: Forest Aten
>
> Clark W Fobes /Best Symphonic Bass clarinet mouthpiece
> 97261 by: Clark Fobes
> 97263 by: RichFong(^_^)Clarinet
> 97264 by: Raphael Sanders
>
> The Messiah and Mozart
> 97271 by: Wayne Thompson
>
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> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:18:38 -0800 (PST)
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Nitai Levi <clarnibass@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Interesting C clarinet part
> Message-ID: <772309.69673.qm@-----.com>
>
>>> =A0So what would you do with those low notes, apart from give nice vibrat=
> ions=0A>> to the flutist sitting in front of you? To my knowledge, the only=
> scores=0A>>=A0using lower notes (e.g. Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff) only use=
> Bb basses.=0A=0ASome players are not limited=A0to music already written, a=
> nd play (sometimes mostly) improvised music and/or music that is written fo=
> r them (by themselves or another composer). So in those cases the music wil=
> l have the notes (or any type of sound) that the player can use.=0A=0A=0A =
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:59:15 -0800
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Interesting C clarinet part
> Message-ID: <EF635E997C5A42DFB3F84B6CC725659D@danielsys>
>
> Quite true Nitai. Our job as players is not only to play the literature as
> best we can, but to have literature created for our instruments, and if our
> instruments have an extended range, composers will write for them..
>
> It is narrow and parochial for any player to restrict an instrument's range
> only to music that does not go outside of that range. If everyone had a view
> like that, we would not be in a position to buy a basset clarinet today.
>
> Dan Leeson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nitai Levi" <clarnibass@-----.com>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Interesting C clarinet part
>
>>> So what would you do with those low notes, apart from give nice
>>> vibrations
>>> to the flutist sitting in front of you? To my knowledge, the only scores
>>> using lower notes (e.g. Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff) only use Bb basses.
>
> Some players are not limited to music already written, and play (sometimes
> mostly) improvised music and/or music that is written for them (by
> themselves or another composer). So in those cases the music will have the
> notes (or any type of sound) that the player can use.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:11:29 -0800
> To: "klarinet@-----.org>
> From: Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@-----.com>
> Subject: Los Angeles Clarinet Choir Concert--Nov. 14
> Message-ID: <4AF990B1.8010906@-----.com>
>
> Dear Klarinet List,
>
> The Los Angeles Clarinet Choir invites you to a Fall Concert on
> Saturday, November 14, at 7:30 pm at La Cresecenta Presbyterian Church,
> 2902 Montrose Ave., La Crescenta Ca 91214 with 17 clarinetists
> performing on soprano, sopranino, alto, bass, contra-alto, and
> contrabass, conducted by Margaret Thornhill and assistant conductor,
> Victoria Ramos.
>
> There is a suggested donation of $10 general; $5 students, seniors.
> Children under 12 free.
>
> Program: "Journeys and Legends"
>
> Edvard GREIG -- Selections from "PEER GYNT SUITE" --arranged L. Jan Coek
> (Morning; Anitra's Dance: Hall of the Mountain King.)
>
> J.S. BACH "TOCCATA AND FUGUE in D MINOR" arranged by Guido Six
>
> Charles FERNANDEZ--"CIRCUS STROLL" (new work)
>
> Gordon JACOB--"THE WIND IN THE REEDS", conducted by Victoria Ramos,
>
> Martin ELLERBY--"LOOPING THE LOOP: A Chicago Hop" (hot swing in the
> style of the big bands!)
>
> We hope to see you there!
>
> Margaret Thornhill
> Founder/Conductor, Los Angeles Clarinet Choir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:48:07 -0800
> To: "Klarinet" <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-ID: <50523BD186954F29B9564639E2610AC4@danielsys>
>
> Jim Gholson of Memphis sent me this link. It is a film that discusses the
> orchestral instruments and it was used (and is still being used) by the
> Memphis school system and elsewhere. The speaker is the late Alan Balter,
> with whom I had the pleasure of playing on many occasions. Alan, like me,
> was a student of David Weber of New York. His career enabled him to hold the
> first chair in Atlanta. But when he was discovered with cancer he left the
> orchestra and came to California for treatment at the Stanford University
> cancer center.
>
> Following successful radiotherapy he was able to begin playing again and he
> won the principal chair of the now defunct San Jose Symphony. That is where
> I met him. It was a joy to have him playing first. He tied the section
> together both with his attitude and his marvelous playing.
>
> Alan then got bitten by the conductor bug and, following a period when he
> conducted a great deal, eventually became the conductor of the Memphis
> orchestra. My wife and I visited him and his wife Nikki in Memphis where
> they were both very happy. Nikki was a fine French hornist.
>
> The link below takes about 20 minutes with a fast line to download. Hope
> you all enjoy it. And thanks again to Jim Gholson.
>
> http://unitus.org/GALL/musical_families.flv
>
> Dan Leeson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:28 -0800
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Audrey Travis <clr91nt@-----.ca>
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-Id: <FB914E9A-7B0A-4339-AA30-674EF1DC4605@-----.ca>
>
> Dan
> When I tried the link below, all I got was a page of script, part
> English, part perhaps Russian or some foreign language. Is that
> supposed to happen?
> Thanks, Audrey
> On 10-Nov-09, at 8:48 AM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>
>>
>> The link below takes about 20 minutes with a fast line to download.
>> Hope you all enjoy it. And thanks again to Jim Gholson.
>>
>> http://unitus.org/GALL/musical_families.flv
>>
>> Dan Leeson
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:59:01 -0800
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-ID: <A31595AE4F694D67B2F4B54B650628F0@danielsys>
>
> Can't explain it Audrey. After receiving your note, I tried the same link
> again, and it worked for me.
>
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Audrey Travis" <clr91nt@-----.ca>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
>
>> Dan
>> When I tried the link below, all I got was a page of script, part
>> English, part perhaps Russian or some foreign language. Is that supposed
>> to happen?
>> Thanks, Audrey
>> On 10-Nov-09, at 8:48 AM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The link below takes about 20 minutes with a fast line to download.
>>> Hope you all enjoy it. And thanks again to Jim Gholson.
>>>
>>> http://unitus.org/GALL/musical_families.flv
>>>
>>> Dan Leeson
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:04:16 -0500
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Fred <vze2bsbs@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-id: <0KSW00J1INIUGGMS@-----.net>
>
> Worked fine for me too - took only 3 minutes with DSL.
>
> Fred
>
> At 12:59 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:
>> Can't explain it Audrey. After receiving your note, I tried the
>> same link again, and it worked for me.
>>
>> Dan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Travis" <clr91nt@-----.ca>
>> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
>>
>>
>>> Dan
>>> When I tried the link below, all I got was a page of script, part
>>> English, part perhaps Russian or some foreign language. Is
>>> that supposed to happen?
>>> Thanks, Audrey
>>> On 10-Nov-09, at 8:48 AM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The link below takes about 20 minutes with a fast line to
>>>> download. Hope you all enjoy it. And thanks again to Jim Gholson.
>>>>
>>>> http://unitus.org/GALL/musical_families.flv
>>>>
>>>> Dan Leeson
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:06:07 +0000
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: John Dablin <jdablin@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-ID: <4AF9B99F.3030600@-----.com>
>
> Audrey Travis wrote:
>> Dan
>> When I tried the link below, all I got was a page of script, part
>> English, part perhaps Russian or some foreign language. Is that
>> supposed to happen?
>> Thanks, Audrey
>
> I'm by no means an expert, but it's a .flv file, which is a "flash
> video", and I think they're normally embedded in a Flash object on a web
> page (like YouTube). I'm using Firefox on Linux, and it wouldn't display
> the video, but after saving the file to disk I found could play it with
> Kaffeine media player. What the equivalent on Windows might be I've no idea.
>
> John Dablin
> Aylesbury UK
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:06:52 -0900
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Jim Alguire <jim@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] A film about the orchestral isntruments for schoolchildren
> Message-Id: <E6C1574B-19EF-42B8-80DE-8C9919BAEF61@-----.com>
>
> Audrey,
> This appears to me, on a Mac, as a type of Adobe Media file, likely a
> Flash file. When clicking on the link, I got the same result as you,
> but if you actually download the file first, it should play with an
> Adobe Media Player program, or maybe via the Flash player.
>
> Hope you can get it as it is too good to be missed.
>
> Jim
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Audrey Travis wrote:
>
>> Dan
>> When I tried the link below, all I got was a page of script, part
>> English, part perhaps Russian or some foreign language. Is that
>> supposed to happen?
>> Thanks, Audrey
>> On 10-Nov-09, at 8:48 AM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The link below takes about 20 minutes with a fast line to
>>> download. Hope you all enjoy it. And thanks again to Jim Gholson.
>>>
>>> http://unitus.org/GALL/musical_families.flv
>>>
>>> Dan Leeson
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:25:28 -0800
> To: <Klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Clark Fobes" <claroneman@-----.net>
> Subject: Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
>
> Well, had I known that I would rack up $74,583.29 fee to Dan Leeson I would
> have never mentioned the whole C clarinet part thing. I will have to bill
> him $74,584.29 for the footwork I am about to do.
>
> I am not playing Othello, but I will try to make a trip to the orchestra
> library to find out what version the orchestra is playing AND I will cite
> the exact bar where the low D occurs. The parts are owned by the SF Opera
> and are quite old, so I suspect that they are Ricordi parts.
>
> BUT, as long as we are on the subject of Verdi and his orchestration AND
> since Forest is in on the conversation I have a further point to consider
> regarding Verdi and the bass clarinet.
>
> As both Dan and Forest know, Verdi wrote some really gorgeous bass clarinet
> solos (Aida and Ernani in particular). In at least these two instances Verdi
> writes a descending line that if it were to continue to its logical and
> musical conclusion would take the bass clarinet out of the range that was
> possible in his day. Example 1. the opening statement in THE big solo for
> bass clarinet in Aida. The final note of the introductory statement is a "C"
> just below the staff, but it makes more musical sense to take that line to
> the lower "C" which we now have on modern bass clarinets. I am of the
> opinion that if Verdi had an instrument with that note he would have written
> the solo to the lowest C and therefore I like to play it that way. Example
> 2. The cemetery scene in Ernani. At the conclusion of that beautiful aria
> for the bass clarinet in D minor the last tone is a "D" just below the
> staff, but if one were to complete the line to its logical conclusion one
> should play the lowest "D" which is now available to us.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:43:24 -0600
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.com>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
> Message-ID: <010801ca6235$af5bd3e0$0e137ba0$@-----.com>
>
> I won't confess to a anything. :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clark Fobes [mailto:claroneman@-----.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: Klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
>
> Well, had I known that I would rack up $74,583.29 fee to Dan Leeson I would
> have never mentioned the whole C clarinet part thing. I will have to bill
> him $74,584.29 for the footwork I am about to do.
>
> I am not playing Othello, but I will try to make a trip to the orchestra
> library to find out what version the orchestra is playing AND I will cite
> the exact bar where the low D occurs. The parts are owned by the SF Opera
> and are quite old, so I suspect that they are Ricordi parts.
>
> BUT, as long as we are on the subject of Verdi and his orchestration AND
> since Forest is in on the conversation I have a further point to consider
> regarding Verdi and the bass clarinet.
>
> As both Dan and Forest know, Verdi wrote some really gorgeous bass clarinet
> solos (Aida and Ernani in particular). In at least these two instances Verdi
> writes a descending line that if it were to continue to its logical and
> musical conclusion would take the bass clarinet out of the range that was
> possible in his day. Example 1. the opening statement in THE big solo for
> bass clarinet in Aida. The final note of the introductory statement is a "C"
> just below the staff, but it makes more musical sense to take that line to
> the lower "C" which we now have on modern bass clarinets. I am of the
> opinion that if Verdi had an instrument with that note he would have written
> the solo to the lowest C and therefore I like to play it that way. Example
> 2. The cemetery scene in Ernani. At the conclusion of that beautiful aria
> for the bass clarinet in D minor the last tone is a "D" just below the
> staff, but if one were to complete the line to its logical conclusion one
> should play the lowest "D" which is now available to us.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:47:11 -0600
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.com>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
> Message-ID: <010a01ca6236$36678370$a3368a50$@-----.com>
>
> And Clark.....with regard to the other thread, the one with your name in the header....congrats. I love my Fobes bass
> clarinet mouthpiece. It's the best I've ever played.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clark Fobes [mailto:claroneman@-----.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: Klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Verdi clarinet and bass ckarubet parts
>
> Well, had I known that I would rack up $74,583.29 fee to Dan Leeson I would
> have never mentioned the whole C clarinet part thing. I will have to bill
> him $74,584.29 for the footwork I am about to do.
>
> I am not playing Othello, but I will try to make a trip to the orchestra
> library to find out what version the orchestra is playing AND I will cite
> the exact bar where the low D occurs. The parts are owned by the SF Opera
> and are quite old, so I suspect that they are Ricordi parts.
>
> BUT, as long as we are on the subject of Verdi and his orchestration AND
> since Forest is in on the conversation I have a further point to consider
> regarding Verdi and the bass clarinet.
>
> As both Dan and Forest know, Verdi wrote some really gorgeous bass clarinet
> solos (Aida and Ernani in particular). In at least these two instances Verdi
> writes a descending line that if it were to continue to its logical and
> musical conclusion would take the bass clarinet out of the range that was
> possible in his day. Example 1. the opening statement in THE big solo for
> bass clarinet in Aida. The final note of the introductory statement is a "C"
> just below the staff, but it makes more musical sense to take that line to
> the lower "C" which we now have on modern bass clarinets. I am of the
> opinion that if Verdi had an instrument with that note he would have written
> the solo to the lowest C and therefore I like to play it that way. Example
> 2. The cemetery scene in Ernani. At the conclusion of that beautiful aria
> for the bass clarinet in D minor the last tone is a "D" just below the
> staff, but if one were to complete the line to its logical conclusion one
> should play the lowest "D" which is now available to us.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:31:23 -0800
> To: <Klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Clark Fobes" <claroneman@-----.net>
> Subject: Clark W Fobes /Best Symphonic Bass clarinet mouthpiece
>
> One will take any accolades gladly
>
> http://www.bestcovery.com/best-symphonic-bass-clarinet-mouthpiece
>
> Clark
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:41:12 +0800
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: "RichFong(^_^)Clarinet" <richfong@-----.hk>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Clark W Fobes /Best Symphonic Bass clarinet mouthpiece
> Message-ID: <32ec536e0911100941u481f58d4u58c303c1b783c480@-----.com>
>
> Dear Clark,
>
> Hi, I am Richard from Hong Kong, playing bass clarinet, student of
> Andrew Simon. May I order one good mouthpiece ? I would like to try
> difference kind of sound, please kindly leave me some order method.
> Thanks very much!
>
> Regard,
> Richard Fong
>
> ps. I am playing the Buffet Low C 1192 bass.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Clark Fobes <claroneman@-----.net> wrote:
>> One will take any accolades gladly
>>
>> http://www.bestcovery.com/best-symphonic-bass-clarinet-mouthpiece
>>
>> Clark
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 10 Nov 2009 12:47:54 -0500
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: "Raphael Sanders" <sanderrp@-----.edu>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Clark W Fobes /Best Symphonic Bass clarinet mouthpiece
> Message-ID: <4AF9A74A.2000302@-----.edu>
>
> Clark Fobes wrote:
>> One will take any accolades gladly
>>
>> http://www.bestcovery.com/best-symphonic-bass-clarinet-mouthpiece
>>
>> Clark
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
> Go Clark!!!
>
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