Klarinet Archive - Posting 000164.txt from 2009/04

From: Martin Baxter <martinbaxter@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Recommendation for Clarinet Duet
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:16:38 -0400

Dan,
Thanks for such a prompt reply. I'll try and get hold of the
Flothuis article. I feel that the old Scottish verdict of "not
proven" may apply to this one, but I hope others interested will
contribute their thoughts.
Martin

On 29 Apr 2009, at 23:01, Dan Leeson wrote:

> Martin, I've read much of the evidence, and which is in the volume
> of the complete Mozart that contains the duets. An old friend,
> Marius Flothis, did the edition as part of the Neue Mozart Ausgabe,
> from my point of view, the evidence that he put forward was pretty
> strong. Flothuis was very a very cautious musicologist.
>
> I remember Joe Marx in NY doing an edition of them around 1965 and
> providing a very thoughtful introduction establishing the pieces
> for horns. Even the Koechel catalog (the new one at least) accepts
> them as being for horns, despite the difficulty of playing them.
> There's also a recording of the works with two very good hornists
> playing on valveless horn, and they were very much in tune.
>
> There was also a problem with the date presuming that they were for
> basset horns, but I don't remember what it was.
>
> And finally this. The character of the composition did not work
> for basset horns, but appeared to me to work for French horns,
> though the only time I hearted them live they were played on modern
> instrument.
>
> But if you really think they are for basset horns, it might make a
> nice article for the Clarinet journal.
>
> Dan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter"
> <martinbaxter@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recommendation for Clarinet Duet
>
>
>> Dan,
>> I have never been convinced that the K487 (or K496a) duets were
>> for French Horns. I have heard arguments, with supplementary
>> evidence, on both sides. Grove accepts the possibility that they
>> were for bassethorns. They also tend to sound laboured on French
>> horns and since the use of hand stopping to correct the out of
>> tune harmonics was not general until Beethoven's time (according
>> to Bate) I can't see that using waldhorner was Mozart's
>> intention. Perhaps you can supply evidence.
>> Martin
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 18:44, Dan Leeson wrote:
>>
>>> Re Martin's recommendation for clarinet duet:
>>>
>>> The Mozart basset horn duets he mentioned are not for basset
>>> horns. They are for French horns. The can be played as duets
>>> for many instruments, but they are supposed to be played by
>>> French horns.
>>>
>>> Dan Leeson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter"
>>> <martinbaxter@-----.net>
>>> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>>> Cc: "Martin Baxter" <martinbaxter@-----.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Recommendation for Clarinet Duet
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Poker" by Perluigi Alessandrini is also worth a look. I haven't
>>>> played it myself but I heard a good student duo working on it
>>>> and I thought it sounded interesting; after all the repertoire
>>>> for this combination is limited. Is the concert to be purely
>>>> clarinet duo?
>>>> If so I hope you aren't ignoring the Mozart basset horn duets;
>>>> technically they are easy but there is more musical subtlety
>>>> than meets the eye. I wouldn't play them all but a pleasant
>>>> Serenade/ Divertimento can be produced by selecting 4 or 5 of them.
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 14:53, Thiel, Mark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I haven't played it (it's on my list of stuff to buy) but
>>>>> Crosstalk by Richard Rodney Bennett looks and sounds
>>>>> intriguing and I think more audience-friendly than the
>>>>> Poulenc. You can kind of see the score at
>>>>> http://www.freehandmusic.com/productdetail.aspx?prodid=345096
>>>>> There are some sound clips of this somewhere out on the web
>>>>> but I can't find them now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck and tell us what you find,
>>>>> Mark Thiel
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I am looking for a recommendation for a clarinet duet, either
>>>>>> (2) Bb
>>>>>> or (1) Bb and (1) A) for a chamber music concert, with the
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> guidelines:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shannon McNeely
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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