Klarinet Archive - Posting 000385.txt from 2009/01
From: Richard Gordley <rgordley@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Re: klarinet Digest 26 Jan 2009 10:01:01 -0000 Issue 8177
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:36:10 -0500
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Isn't this FUN!!
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:31:32 -0500
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>From: Alexander Brash <brash@-----.edu>
>Subject: Re: Copyright Rant
>Message-Id: <2A3D85EC-8465-4147-B89A-796199CD438F@-----.edu>
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>Why so serious Mr. Fay!
>
>I do apologize for my one - liner, it would have been far more
>appropriate for me to simply have waited until I could type up my
>entire argument with references, this is entirely my fault and bad.
>However, your note brings up an important point that many people on
>this list struggle with - namely that you do not understand how to
>properly conduct an argument (which is amazing for someone with your
>degree and legal experience).
>
>1) Ad hominem? Is this how the pros do it? Stating "listen to my
>conclusion because I have 25 years experience and a law degree and you
>have an out of date website and by the way I bet you're bad at your
>job hahahah" isn't even close to a cogent thought. It's argument by
>"mine's bigger" (I'd be happy to exchange photos or something off list
>if that's what required for the alpha-maleness). I actually would be
>very curious to see links to the applicable law and/or any cases on
>point, I find it fascinating. I like to think of Dan Leeson as an
>example here - I don't think he even likes me - but even though he is
>widely recognized as a foremost expert on Mozart, he always takes the
>time to very logically lay out his arguments and thought process for
>everyone else's edification, which I think is wonderful and we should
>see more of. I've never seen him say "because I know more than you."
>
>2) I don't have a law degree, but nowhere in my posts on this list do
>you see me even brag about my education when I argue about
>controversial topics (rap!), so why did you bring it up? It's
>completely specious. I've also never linked my website, with one
>exception as a direct download link some months ago for feedback on a
>playing sample. As someone of your obvious intelligence should be able
>to discern, that site itself is long defunct, and hasn't been updated
>in some time. It was a pet project that was abandoned - I do have a
>real job working for Deloitte and Touche in IT Security and Privacy
>consulting, and have since I entered the workforce.
>
>3) Since you did begin an "argument by mine's bigger..." I have a
>degree in Computer Science from the H (as we like to call the
>engineering/math/science side of things, a "non bullshit" degree),
>focusing on computational theory (very advanced math, essentially) and
>cryptography (more math) - by most measures the "intelligence"
>required to do this is far higher than that required to obtain a law
>degree, but again, that would simply be the argument of a retarded
>monkey flinging poop back at you, and furthermore I don't entirely buy
>into it (there are just far too many people WAY smarter than me whose
>background is something like English Lit), it's the same reason I
>never try to make an argument of "I just know more than you / am
>smarter than you ergo I am right". I was actually posting after
>significant conversation with two friends of mine, one of whom does
>have a law degree and specializes in IP, trademark, and copyright
>issues, and the other is a 3L at Yale Law (ya know, the one harder to
>get into than Hahvahd), whose whole purpose for being (at the moment)
>is being passionate about copyright and IP issues.
>
>Now, I can see I've encroached on your hallowed territory, and
>inadvertently seem to have attacked your self-worth, which was
>definitely not my intention, so I'm just going to let it sit. Since
>you are the expert, please enlighten us further, or not. In either
>case I'm looking forward to the excellent performance - I'll not speak
>again on this thread.
>
>Best to everyone, and apologies for offenses to the lawyers,
>Alex
>
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