Klarinet Archive - Posting 000101.txt from 2009/01

From: "Matt Reid" <qmartialarts@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] RE: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:32:40 -0500

My two cents....

Music is not the influence.

The influence is the bad influence that money makes upon the musicians and
then everyone wants to be like them, so they dress like them, talk like
them, and act like them. I think the "whole" problem of rap is that since
Jay-Z has to carry a weapon, the kids that are on the street think they do
too. And the videos for the music don't help either, especially when 12
year old girls start wearing thongs, hip showing jeans and shirts that don'=
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t
come down much farther than their training bra. And that's if they wear a
shirt at all, since most of the dancers are just wearing their bra or some
string.

My two cents.....

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Forest Aten <forestaten@-----.com> wrote:
>
> Peter
>
> Hamm....
>
> Maybe if opera had the same following as rap (I wish...it would build in
> more security to my job), there would be a lot more "violent disorder"
> associated with the opera effort. We just don't seem to have the followin=
g
> rap has! LOL Or....maybe opera, as an art form, is really, really out of
> touch, making "passionate" and/or "violent" acts pass=E9. rap....is curre=
nt
> and up to date on current issues...dealing with life and death issues for
> many. Sometimes the same life/death issues familiar to opera. Let's hope
> it's the issues moving people and not the goofy art (opera or rap).
>
> I don't believe I've seen any studies showing comparative stats between
> opera/rap and the resulting violent acts you seem to think occur.
>
> Forest
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:03 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] RE: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Now that really is silly. How many people are moved to violent disorder b=
y
> Opera? Context is all.
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Baxter [mailto:martinbaxter@-----.net]
> Sent: 04 January 2009 21:48
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Such as many opera plots.
> Martin
> On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:53, Peter Gentry wrote:
>
> > OK I suppose you rap is not mine. I despise anything that glorifies
> > violence
> > disorder and illegal behaviour that is all. I will force myself to
> > stop
> > being silly now.
> >
> > regards
> > Peter Gentry
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> > Sent: 04 January 2009 13:16
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >
> >>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene
> >>> experience from the violent ravings of a rap star
> >>> (gangster) but it seems more likely they are looking
> >>> for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
> >
> > You are generalizing again but it shows more than ever you just
> > don't know
> > much about rap, so I don't know how you can criticise it. One of
> > the most
> > (if not most) sucessful rap groups in my country is nothing like you
> > describe. Actually a lot of "serious" musicians, including
> > excellent and
> > professional classical, jazz musicians, etc. really like this rap
> > group. I
> > actually don't like MOST rap that I know but I still went to many
> > concerts
> > of this group. I don't like all the songs from this group but I
> > don't like
> > all the classical, jazz, rock, etc. etc. music too, even by the same
> > player/composer. So you can dislike any music you want but your
> > generalizations are very silly and I don't understand why you keep
> > making
> > them.....
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:43 PM
> >
> > Kevin Fay posted
> >
> > <<I'm a bald, over-middle-age curmudgeon, and don't much like or
> > listen to
> > eminem. He's an angry young man with too many tattoos for my
> > taste.>>
> >
> > Spot on Kevin, actually I am 67. I don't limit myself to Eminem -
> > all rap
> > black or white is puerile rubbish I rather listen to a Kazoo.
> >
> > I don't get as worked up as emails may suggest what I do resent is
> > the over
> > blowing of fashion, although I admit that many of the great artists
> > were
> > "fashionable" at one time or another, and others were not.
> >
> > And, since art cannot really be defined in absolute terms it would
> > seem
> > impossible rate it. And yet, we do, all the time.
> >
> > Is there something more than "I like it therefore it is art/of
> > value"?
> > Greater minds than mine have struggled with that one to no conclusion.
> >
> > I like to think there is, when an audience leaves after carefully
> > listening
> > to a piece of music for two or three hours you can feel the
> > difference.
> > There can be a sort of collective serenity as they leave still
> > savouring the
> > experience or there may be a nervous disjointed babble after an
> > unsatisfactory experience.
> >
> > Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene experience
> > from the
> > violent ravings of a rap star (gangster) but it seems more likely
> > they are
> > looking for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
> >
> > I know violence and crass stupidity is an ever present part of life
> > but
> > don't see why I should be expected to appreciate it in music
> > especially as
> > a
> > monotonous diet. Once or twice just to sample all genres maybe but
> > not as my
> > main diet please nor as a highly rated part of my diet. Just a
> > rather stale
> > biscuit which highlights the appreciation of the delicious juicy main
> > course.
> >
> > Some people like sticking pins into themselves but is it art?
> >
> > 13:10
> >
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