Klarinet Archive - Posting 000070.txt from 2009/01

From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] RE: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:51:53 -0500

Peter

Hamm....

Maybe if opera had the same following as rap (I wish...it would build in
more security to my job), there would be a lot more "violent disorder"
associated with the opera effort. We just don't seem to have the =
following
rap has! LOL Or....maybe opera, as an art form, is really, really out of
touch, making "passionate" and/or "violent" acts pass=E9. rap....is =
current
and up to date on current issues...dealing with life and death issues =
for
many. Sometimes the same life/death issues familiar to opera. Let's hope
it's the issues moving people and not the goofy art (opera or rap).=20

I don't believe I've seen any studies showing comparative stats between
opera/rap and the resulting violent acts you seem to think occur.

Forest

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:03 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] RE: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Now that really is silly. How many people are moved to violent disorder =
by
Opera? Context is all.
regards
Peter Gentry=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Baxter [mailto:martinbaxter@-----.net]=20
Sent: 04 January 2009 21:48
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Such as many opera plots.
Martin
On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:53, Peter Gentry wrote:

> OK I suppose you rap is not mine. I despise anything that glorifies =20
> violence
> disorder and illegal behaviour that is all. I will force myself to =20
> stop
> being silly now.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> Sent: 04 January 2009 13:16
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
>>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene
>>> experience from the violent ravings of a rap star
>>> (gangster) but it seems more likely they are looking
>>> for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>
> You are generalizing again but it shows more than ever you just =20
> don't know
> much about rap, so I don't know how you can criticise it. One of =20
> the most
> (if not most) sucessful rap groups in my country is nothing like you
> describe. Actually a lot of "serious" musicians, including =20
> excellent and
> professional classical, jazz musicians, etc. really like this rap =20
> group. I
> actually don't like MOST rap that I know but I still went to many =20
> concerts
> of this group. I don't like all the songs from this group but I =20
> don't like
> all the classical, jazz, rock, etc. etc. music too, even by the same
> player/composer. So you can dislike any music you want but your
> generalizations are very silly and I don't understand why you keep =20
> making
> them.....
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:43 PM
>
> Kevin Fay posted
>
> <<I'm a bald, over-middle-age curmudgeon, and don't much like or
> listen to
> eminem. He's an angry young man with too many tattoos for my
> taste.>>
>
> Spot on Kevin, actually I am 67. I don't limit myself to Eminem - =20
> all rap
> black or white is puerile rubbish I rather listen to a Kazoo.
>
> I don't get as worked up as emails may suggest what I do resent is =20
> the over
> blowing of fashion, although I admit that many of the great artists =20
> were
> "fashionable" at one time or another, and others were not.
>
> And, since art cannot really be defined in absolute terms it would =20
> seem
> impossible rate it. And yet, we do, all the time.
>
> Is there something more than "I like it therefore it is art/of
> value"?
> Greater minds than mine have struggled with that one to no conclusion.
>
> I like to think there is, when an audience leaves after carefully =20
> listening
> to a piece of music for two or three hours you can feel the =20
> difference.
> There can be a sort of collective serenity as they leave still =20
> savouring the
> experience or there may be a nervous disjointed babble after an
> unsatisfactory experience.
>
> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene experience =20
> from the
> violent ravings of a rap star (gangster) but it seems more likely =20
> they are
> looking for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>
> I know violence and crass stupidity is an ever present part of life =20
> but
> don't see why I should be expected to appreciate it in music =20
> especially as
> a
> monotonous diet. Once or twice just to sample all genres maybe but =20
> not as my
> main diet please nor as a highly rated part of my diet. Just a =20
> rather stale
> biscuit which highlights the appreciation of the delicious juicy main
> course.
>
> Some people like sticking pins into themselves but is it art?
>
> 13:10
>
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