Klarinet Archive - Posting 000068.txt from 2009/01

From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:42:03 -0500

Stop talking about the Catholic church that way bud! LOL Many fine composers
have worked for that organization!

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:45 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Yep but that's all about looney religious nuts they are famous for
bloodthirsty mayhem. "In the name of their god" so that's OK then.

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Escobar [mailto:elescobar@-----.com]
Sent: 05 January 2009 14:19
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Whether people have been moved or not, the threat of it happening has
existed...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439393,00.html

On 2009/01/05, at 23:02, Peter Gentry wrote:

> Now that really is silly. How many people are moved to violent
> disorder by
> Opera? Context is all.
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Baxter [mailto:martinbaxter@-----.net]
> Sent: 04 January 2009 21:48
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Such as many opera plots.
> Martin
> On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:53, Peter Gentry wrote:
>
>> OK I suppose you rap is not mine. I despise anything that glorifies
>> violence
>> disorder and illegal behaviour that is all. I will force myself to
>> stop
>> being silly now.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter Gentry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>> Sent: 04 January 2009 13:16
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>>>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene
>>>> experience from the violent ravings of a rap star
>>>> (gangster) but it seems more likely they are looking
>>>> for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>>
>> You are generalizing again but it shows more than ever you just
>> don't know
>> much about rap, so I don't know how you can criticise it. One of
>> the most
>> (if not most) sucessful rap groups in my country is nothing like you
>> describe. Actually a lot of "serious" musicians, including
>> excellent and
>> professional classical, jazz musicians, etc. really like this rap
>> group. I
>> actually don't like MOST rap that I know but I still went to many
>> concerts
>> of this group. I don't like all the songs from this group but I
>> don't like
>> all the classical, jazz, rock, etc. etc. music too, even by the same
>> player/composer. So you can dislike any music you want but your
>> generalizations are very silly and I don't understand why you keep
>> making
>> them.....
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:43 PM
>>
>> Kevin Fay posted
>>
>> <<I'm a bald, over-middle-age curmudgeon, and don't much like or
>> listen to
>> eminem. He's an angry young man with too many tattoos for my
>> taste.>>
>>
>> Spot on Kevin, actually I am 67. I don't limit myself to Eminem -
>> all rap
>> black or white is puerile rubbish I rather listen to a Kazoo.
>>
>> I don't get as worked up as emails may suggest what I do resent is
>> the over
>> blowing of fashion, although I admit that many of the great artists
>> were
>> "fashionable" at one time or another, and others were not.
>>
>> And, since art cannot really be defined in absolute terms it would
>> seem
>> impossible rate it. And yet, we do, all the time.
>>
>> Is there something more than "I like it therefore it is art/of
>> value"?
>> Greater minds than mine have struggled with that one to no
>> conclusion.
>>
>> I like to think there is, when an audience leaves after carefully
>> listening
>> to a piece of music for two or three hours you can feel the
>> difference.
>> There can be a sort of collective serenity as they leave still
>> savouring the
>> experience or there may be a nervous disjointed babble after an
>> unsatisfactory experience.
>>
>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene experience
>> from the
>> violent ravings of a rap star (gangster) but it seems more likely
>> they are
>> looking for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>>
>> I know violence and crass stupidity is an ever present part of life
>> but
>> don't see why I should be expected to appreciate it in music
>> especially as
>> a
>> monotonous diet. Once or twice just to sample all genres maybe but
>> not as my
>> main diet please nor as a highly rated part of my diet. Just a
>> rather stale
>> biscuit which highlights the appreciation of the delicious juicy main
>> course.
>>
>> Some people like sticking pins into themselves but is it art?
>>
>> 13:10
>>
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