Klarinet Archive - Posting 000057.txt from 2009/01

From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] Rap....Mozart would be there....man.....
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:11:25 -0500

the sic jockey provides the rhythm,
operating the drum machine and "scratching".

I couldn't have put it better..no it is not music.

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Forest Aten [mailto:forestaten@-----.com]
Sent: 04 January 2009 23:33
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] Rap....Mozart would be there....man.....

Peter

You may not like rap...but it's a significant/important art/medium for a lot
of people. The article in the link below, goes a long way at (perhaps)
helping you understand the art form. Much rap is very carefully
crafted...not what you described as "shallow, poorly written and lacking in
any art".

http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/37.htm

Enjoy

Forest

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:54 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

You have been reacting to my posts without really thinking about what to
say. Your quote from Eminem makes my point quite clearly, it is shallow
poorly written and lacking in any art. Just what you can hear anywhere after
a few drinks when maudlin indulgent thoughts take over.

I am certain this is not what makes most performers perform. I think many
musicians are more than happy to "perform" with no audience at all for the
pure joy of music making. They can also "shock" in more subtle ways.

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
Sent: 03 January 2009 02:35
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Oh I agree, I'm just pointing out the general impression is quite the
opposite of what Peter suggested.

Or as Eminem says :

"Or for anyone who's ever been through shit in their lives
Till they sit and they cry at night wishing they'd die
Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe
We're nothing to you but we're the fucking shit in they eyes"

which, honestly, is what I do with Brahms. And I think the above is
one of the better explanations of what leads performers to perform.

On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Sarah Bolton wrote:

>
> There's no need to be rude.
>
> I love locking myself in a practice room and "having deep emotions"
> just as much as I love "rockin' out" to something I can totally go
> crazy and dance to! Everyone identifies themself with a music genre
> (or a few) because it is something that brings people together. A
> common theme. Rappers, emos, rocker people (lol), classicists, etc. =)
>
>
> *Sarah
>
>
>
>> From: brash@-----.edu
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:34:18 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>> Wait you're suggesting that people who like rap are the small group
>> of
>> folks who want to be thought of as "different?" I thought that
>> dubious
>> distinction belonged to classical music elitists. "ooooh look at me,
>> I'm SO CULTURED I frown on your popular genre. I'm going to go lock
>> myself in a practice room now and have deep emotions."
>>
>> Conservatory students and emo screamers, in my experience, are pretty
>> closely related species.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>>
>>> Second thoughts why am I being defensive on this matter. No rapper
>>> has
>>> posted any justification for treating the genre as serious music
>>> rather than
>>> a passing fad or badge of belonging (uniform) of a small group of
>>> folks who
>>> wish to be thought "different".
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Peter Gentry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>>> Sent: 02 January 2009 16:58
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>
>>> Yes, you are definitely with him. You both, judging from your posts,
>>> criticise something you don't know much about. Re the clothes: some
>>> musicians in other styles wear silly clothes. Some classical
>>> musicians
>>> do, for example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Peter Gentry wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Peter Gentry
>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:52 PM
>>>
>>> I'm with David since 99% of the "rap" generally available falls
>>> into the
>>> *rap variety and lofe is too short to waste it listening to
>>> overblown egos
>>> in trousers four sizes too large.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Peter Gentry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>>> Sent: 02 January 2009 06:13
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>
>>> It's very strange that you can criticise rap so generally since it's
>>> clear
>>> from your post you don't know much about it, or at least not about
>>> SOME of
>>> it. If someone listenes to good rap music, they might like it, or
>>> they might
>>> still hate it. But if they understand all music they would have to
>>> admit
>>> good rap is good regardless of whether they like it or not, and not
>>> criticise all rap generally. Some people need to realize they don't
>>> like
>>> some styles of music because of themselves, not because of the
>>> music.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, David Blumberg wrote:
>>>
>>> From: David Blumberg
>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:40 AM
>>>
>>> The thing missing from rap is the c in front of the word, or an e at
>>> the end
>>> of
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Cause that's what that "music" is as far as I'm concerned.
>>> Over-promoted dog excrement.
>>> There are talented musicians out there performing R&B, Jazz, etc,
>>> but not
>>> rap. They mostly all are money-hungry lowlife, minimally talented
>>> and over promoted hooligans making a mockery of music.
>>>
>>> Bling Bling idiots.
>>>
>>> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Blumberg
>>> http://www.mytempo.com
>>>
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