Klarinet Archive - Posting 000055.txt from 2009/01

From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:44:46 -0500

Yep but that's all about looney religious nuts they are famous for
bloodthirsty mayhem. "In the name of their god" so that's OK then.

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Escobar [mailto:elescobar@-----.com]
Sent: 05 January 2009 14:19
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Whether people have been moved or not, the threat of it happening has
existed...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439393,00.html

On 2009/01/05, at 23:02, Peter Gentry wrote:

> Now that really is silly. How many people are moved to violent
> disorder by
> Opera? Context is all.
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Baxter [mailto:martinbaxter@-----.net]
> Sent: 04 January 2009 21:48
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Such as many opera plots.
> Martin
> On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:53, Peter Gentry wrote:
>
>> OK I suppose you rap is not mine. I despise anything that glorifies
>> violence
>> disorder and illegal behaviour that is all. I will force myself to
>> stop
>> being silly now.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter Gentry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>> Sent: 04 January 2009 13:16
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>>>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene
>>>> experience from the violent ravings of a rap star
>>>> (gangster) but it seems more likely they are looking
>>>> for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>>
>> You are generalizing again but it shows more than ever you just
>> don't know
>> much about rap, so I don't know how you can criticise it. One of
>> the most
>> (if not most) sucessful rap groups in my country is nothing like you
>> describe. Actually a lot of "serious" musicians, including
>> excellent and
>> professional classical, jazz musicians, etc. really like this rap
>> group. I
>> actually don't like MOST rap that I know but I still went to many
>> concerts
>> of this group. I don't like all the songs from this group but I
>> don't like
>> all the classical, jazz, rock, etc. etc. music too, even by the same
>> player/composer. So you can dislike any music you want but your
>> generalizations are very silly and I don't understand why you keep
>> making
>> them.....
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:43 PM
>>
>> Kevin Fay posted
>>
>> <<I'm a bald, over-middle-age curmudgeon, and don't much like or
>> listen to
>> eminem. He's an angry young man with too many tattoos for my
>> taste.>>
>>
>> Spot on Kevin, actually I am 67. I don't limit myself to Eminem -
>> all rap
>> black or white is puerile rubbish I rather listen to a Kazoo.
>>
>> I don't get as worked up as emails may suggest what I do resent is
>> the over
>> blowing of fashion, although I admit that many of the great artists
>> were
>> "fashionable" at one time or another, and others were not.
>>
>> And, since art cannot really be defined in absolute terms it would
>> seem
>> impossible rate it. And yet, we do, all the time.
>>
>> Is there something more than "I like it therefore it is art/of
>> value"?
>> Greater minds than mine have struggled with that one to no
>> conclusion.
>>
>> I like to think there is, when an audience leaves after carefully
>> listening
>> to a piece of music for two or three hours you can feel the
>> difference.
>> There can be a sort of collective serenity as they leave still
>> savouring the
>> experience or there may be a nervous disjointed babble after an
>> unsatisfactory experience.
>>
>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene experience
>> from the
>> violent ravings of a rap star (gangster) but it seems more likely
>> they are
>> looking for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>>
>> I know violence and crass stupidity is an ever present part of life
>> but
>> don't see why I should be expected to appreciate it in music
>> especially as
>> a
>> monotonous diet. Once or twice just to sample all genres maybe but
>> not as my
>> main diet please nor as a highly rated part of my diet. Just a
>> rather stale
>> biscuit which highlights the appreciation of the delicious juicy main
>> course.
>>
>> Some people like sticking pins into themselves but is it art?
>>
>> 13:10
>>
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