Klarinet Archive - Posting 000052.txt from 2009/01

From: Martin Baxter <martinbaxter@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:47:33 -0500

Such as many opera plots.
Martin
On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:53, Peter Gentry wrote:

> OK I suppose you rap is not mine. I despise anything that glorifies
> violence
> disorder and illegal behaviour that is all. I will force myself to
> stop
> being silly now.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> Sent: 04 January 2009 13:16
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
>>> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene
>>> experience from the violent ravings of a rap star
>>> (gangster) but it seems more likely they are looking
>>> for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>
> You are generalizing again but it shows more than ever you just
> don't know
> much about rap, so I don't know how you can criticise it. One of
> the most
> (if not most) sucessful rap groups in my country is nothing like you
> describe. Actually a lot of "serious" musicians, including
> excellent and
> professional classical, jazz musicians, etc. really like this rap
> group. I
> actually don't like MOST rap that I know but I still went to many
> concerts
> of this group. I don't like all the songs from this group but I
> don't like
> all the classical, jazz, rock, etc. etc. music too, even by the same
> player/composer. So you can dislike any music you want but your
> generalizations are very silly and I don't understand why you keep
> making
> them.....
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:43 PM
>
> Kevin Fay posted
>
> <<I'm a bald, over-middle-age curmudgeon, and don't much like or
> listen to
> eminem. He's an angry young man with too many tattoos for my
> taste.>>
>
> Spot on Kevin, actually I am 67. I don't limit myself to Eminem -
> all rap
> black or white is puerile rubbish I rather listen to a Kazoo.
>
> I don't get as worked up as emails may suggest what I do resent is
> the over
> blowing of fashion, although I admit that many of the great artists
> were
> "fashionable" at one time or another, and others were not.
>
> And, since art cannot really be defined in absolute terms it would
> seem
> impossible rate it. And yet, we do, all the time.
>
> Is there something more than "I like it therefore it is art/of
> value"?
> Greater minds than mine have struggled with that one to no conclusion.
>
> I like to think there is, when an audience leaves after carefully
> listening
> to a piece of music for two or three hours you can feel the
> difference.
> There can be a sort of collective serenity as they leave still
> savouring the
> experience or there may be a nervous disjointed babble after an
> unsatisfactory experience.
>
> Maybe the right audience can receive the same serene experience
> from the
> violent ravings of a rap star (gangster) but it seems more likely
> they are
> looking for the next fight or someone to mug or denigrate.
>
> I know violence and crass stupidity is an ever present part of life
> but
> don't see why I should be expected to appreciate it in music
> especially as
> a
> monotonous diet. Once or twice just to sample all genres maybe but
> not as my
> main diet please nor as a highly rated part of my diet. Just a
> rather stale
> biscuit which highlights the appreciation of the delicious juicy main
> course.
>
> Some people like sticking pins into themselves but is it art?
>
> 13:10
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