Klarinet Archive - Posting 000044.txt from 2009/01

From: "Susan Kundert" <ohsuzan@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Rap....Mozart would be there....man.....
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:10:30 -0500

Terrific, Forest!

Thank you!

Susan K.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Forest Aten <forestaten@-----.com> wrote:
>
> Peter
>
> You may not like rap...but it's a significant/important art/medium for a lot
> of people. The article in the link below, goes a long way at (perhaps)
> helping you understand the art form. Much rap is very carefully
> crafted...not what you described as "shallow, poorly written and lacking in
> any art".
>
> http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/37.htm
>
> Enjoy
>
> Forest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:54 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> You have been reacting to my posts without really thinking about what to
> say. Your quote from Eminem makes my point quite clearly, it is shallow
> poorly written and lacking in any art. Just what you can hear anywhere after
> a few drinks when maudlin indulgent thoughts take over.
>
> I am certain this is not what makes most performers perform. I think many
> musicians are more than happy to "perform" with no audience at all for the
> pure joy of music making. They can also "shock" in more subtle ways.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 03 January 2009 02:35
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Oh I agree, I'm just pointing out the general impression is quite the
> opposite of what Peter suggested.
>
> Or as Eminem says :
>
> "Or for anyone who's ever been through shit in their lives
> Till they sit and they cry at night wishing they'd die
> Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe
> We're nothing to you but we're the fucking shit in they eyes"
>
> which, honestly, is what I do with Brahms. And I think the above is
> one of the better explanations of what leads performers to perform.
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Sarah Bolton wrote:
>
> >
> > There's no need to be rude.
> >
> > I love locking myself in a practice room and "having deep emotions"
> > just as much as I love "rockin' out" to something I can totally go
> > crazy and dance to! Everyone identifies themself with a music genre
> > (or a few) because it is something that brings people together. A
> > common theme. Rappers, emos, rocker people (lol), classicists, etc. =)
> >
> >
> > *Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: brash@-----.edu
> >> To: klarinet@-----.org
> >> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:34:18 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >>
> >> Wait you're suggesting that people who like rap are the small group
> >> of
> >> folks who want to be thought of as "different?" I thought that
> >> dubious
> >> distinction belonged to classical music elitists. "ooooh look at me,
> >> I'm SO CULTURED I frown on your popular genre. I'm going to go lock
> >> myself in a practice room now and have deep emotions."
> >>
> >> Conservatory students and emo screamers, in my experience, are pretty
> >> closely related species.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Second thoughts why am I being defensive on this matter. No rapper
> >>> has
> >>> posted any justification for treating the genre as serious music
> >>> rather than
> >>> a passing fad or badge of belonging (uniform) of a small group of
> >>> folks who
> >>> wish to be thought "different".
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> Peter Gentry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> >>> Sent: 02 January 2009 16:58
> >>> To: klarinet@-----.org
> >>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you are definitely with him. You both, judging from your posts,
> >>> criticise something you don't know much about. Re the clothes: some
> >>> musicians in other styles wear silly clothes. Some classical
> >>> musicians
> >>> do, for example.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Peter Gentry wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Peter Gentry
> >>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >>> To: klarinet@-----.org
> >>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:52 PM
> >>>
> >>> I'm with David since 99% of the "rap" generally available falls
> >>> into the
> >>> *rap variety and lofe is too short to waste it listening to
> >>> overblown egos
> >>> in trousers four sizes too large.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> Peter Gentry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> >>> Sent: 02 January 2009 06:13
> >>> To: klarinet@-----.org
> >>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >>>
> >>> It's very strange that you can criticise rap so generally since it's
> >>> clear
> >>> from your post you don't know much about it, or at least not about
> >>> SOME of
> >>> it. If someone listenes to good rap music, they might like it, or
> >>> they might
> >>> still hate it. But if they understand all music they would have to
> >>> admit
> >>> good rap is good regardless of whether they like it or not, and not
> >>> criticise all rap generally. Some people need to realize they don't
> >>> like
> >>> some styles of music because of themselves, not because of the
> >>> music.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, David Blumberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: David Blumberg
> >>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
> >>> To: klarinet@-----.org
> >>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:40 AM
> >>>
> >>> The thing missing from rap is the c in front of the word, or an e at
> >>> the end
> >>> of
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> Cause that's what that "music" is as far as I'm concerned.
> >>> Over-promoted dog excrement.
> >>> There are talented musicians out there performing R&B, Jazz, etc,
> >>> but not
> >>> rap. They mostly all are money-hungry lowlife, minimally talented
> >>> and over promoted hooligans making a mockery of music.
> >>>
> >>> Bling Bling idiots.
> >>>
> >>> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Blumberg
> >>> http://www.mytempo.com
> >>>
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