Klarinet Archive - Posting 000033.txt from 2009/01

From: Alexander Brash <brash@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:00:18 -0500

in before ad hominem

On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Peter Gentry wrote:

> You have been reacting to my posts without really thinking about
> what to
> say. Your quote from Eminem makes my point quite clearly, it is
> shallow
> poorly written and lacking in any art. Just what you can hear
> anywhere after
> a few drinks when maudlin indulgent thoughts take over.
>
> I am certain this is not what makes most performers perform. I think
> many
> musicians are more than happy to "perform" with no audience at all
> for the
> pure joy of music making. They can also "shock" in more subtle ways.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 03 January 2009 02:35
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Oh I agree, I'm just pointing out the general impression is quite the
> opposite of what Peter suggested.
>
> Or as Eminem says :
>
> "Or for anyone who's ever been through shit in their lives
> Till they sit and they cry at night wishing they'd die
> Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe
> We're nothing to you but we're the fucking shit in they eyes"
>
> which, honestly, is what I do with Brahms. And I think the above is
> one of the better explanations of what leads performers to perform.
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Sarah Bolton wrote:
>
>>
>> There's no need to be rude.
>>
>> I love locking myself in a practice room and "having deep emotions"
>> just as much as I love "rockin' out" to something I can totally go
>> crazy and dance to! Everyone identifies themself with a music genre
>> (or a few) because it is something that brings people together. A
>> common theme. Rappers, emos, rocker people (lol), classicists, etc.
>> =)
>>
>>
>> *Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: brash@-----.edu
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:34:18 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>
>>> Wait you're suggesting that people who like rap are the small group
>>> of
>>> folks who want to be thought of as "different?" I thought that
>>> dubious
>>> distinction belonged to classical music elitists. "ooooh look at me,
>>> I'm SO CULTURED I frown on your popular genre. I'm going to go lock
>>> myself in a practice room now and have deep emotions."
>>>
>>> Conservatory students and emo screamers, in my experience, are
>>> pretty
>>> closely related species.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Second thoughts why am I being defensive on this matter. No rapper
>>>> has
>>>> posted any justification for treating the genre as serious music
>>>> rather than
>>>> a passing fad or badge of belonging (uniform) of a small group of
>>>> folks who
>>>> wish to be thought "different".
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Peter Gentry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>>>> Sent: 02 January 2009 16:58
>>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are definitely with him. You both, judging from your
>>>> posts,
>>>> criticise something you don't know much about. Re the clothes: some
>>>> musicians in other styles wear silly clothes. Some classical
>>>> musicians
>>>> do, for example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Peter Gentry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Peter Gentry
>>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:52 PM
>>>>
>>>> I'm with David since 99% of the "rap" generally available falls
>>>> into the
>>>> *rap variety and lofe is too short to waste it listening to
>>>> overblown egos
>>>> in trousers four sizes too large.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Peter Gentry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
>>>> Sent: 02 January 2009 06:13
>>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>>
>>>> It's very strange that you can criticise rap so generally since
>>>> it's
>>>> clear
>>>> from your post you don't know much about it, or at least not about
>>>> SOME of
>>>> it. If someone listenes to good rap music, they might like it, or
>>>> they might
>>>> still hate it. But if they understand all music they would have to
>>>> admit
>>>> good rap is good regardless of whether they like it or not, and not
>>>> criticise all rap generally. Some people need to realize they don't
>>>> like
>>>> some styles of music because of themselves, not because of the
>>>> music.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, David Blumberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: David Blumberg
>>>> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>>> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:40 AM
>>>>
>>>> The thing missing from rap is the c in front of the word, or an e
>>>> at
>>>> the end
>>>> of
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Cause that's what that "music" is as far as I'm concerned.
>>>> Over-promoted dog excrement.
>>>> There are talented musicians out there performing R&B, Jazz, etc,
>>>> but not
>>>> rap. They mostly all are money-hungry lowlife, minimally talented
>>>> and over promoted hooligans making a mockery of music.
>>>>
>>>> Bling Bling idiots.
>>>>
>>>> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Blumberg
>>>> http://www.mytempo.com
>>>>
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