Klarinet Archive - Posting 000199.txt from 2008/12
From: clarni bass <clarnibass@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:23:24 -0500
In every type of music in cluding rap there is good and bad. Maybe you've never heard good rap, or not able to realize when it is good because of a biased against the style. Some people just don't like a style and categorize everything in that style as "bad". It is possible to understand (all) music in a more basic way where style will not affect your understanding of whether it is good or bad in an objective way. It is also possible to seperate objective understanding of the music with whatever you like or don't like. There is some music that I like but admit is not very good. I like it in spite of that, for other reasons. Some rap is good, some is bad. I don't know especially a lot of rap that I like, but I like some rap which is good and even some bad rap (and same for other types of music).
By the way, I don't rap or play in any kind of rap music (yet), and actually with the music I play many would probably think I'd hate rap. I still listen to rap sometimes, and actually sometimes me and some friends (who are also mostly "serious" and "professional" musicians) might improvise some rap out of no where, with an instrument we might happen to have (or something that is improvised to be an instrument). Usually it's not only music but also very funny.
Sorry if anything isn't clear since this is not my first language.
Nitai
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk> wrote:
From: Peter Gentry <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
To: klarinet@-----.org
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:03 PM
I know what axiomatic means but the crux of all this argument/debate as
usual is about definitions. I have sat through any number of science group
meetings when heated arguments rage and almost always both sides have a
point but they don't share a common definition.
I suppose by rap I mean the puerile stuff that one hears when unfortunately
tuning into the wrong radio station, full of bile and aggression urging the
listener to various illegal activities. There is no point at which that
touches me except to trigger the repulsion button. Maybe your Rap is
something entirely different.
I admit that noises produced by the human voice assisted by electronics or
neat can be music (whatever that means) and in the right context even
guttural strident dischord can be music. I perceive rap as entirely guttural
dischord and aggression unleavened by any other emotion that is why it
cannot be compared the the work of musicians such as Mozart who manage to
tap into a wide spectrum of human emotion.
Is that too ridiculous for you!
regards
Peter Gentry
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
Sent: 30 December 2008 18:16
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Oh dear never mind.....
regards
Peter Gentry
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
Sent: 30 December 2008 11:29
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please don't
bandy about words like "axiomatic" unless you are damn sure you know
the connotations. Disliking rap is completely valid, your "argument"
however, is ridiculous.
On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Peter Gentry wrote:
> The answer to some questions is axiomatic and requires no further
> explanation. Certain forms of "rap" may display
"interesting" rhythmic
> variations and hint at "melody" but the attempt to make any
> comparison with
> Mozart or indeed any serious (or comic) musician is unworthy of
> further
> consideration. Rap has a small sentence in the great book of music
> alongside
> Tale Ognenovski.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 30 December 2008 01:57
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> seriously, stereotype yourself more please :)
>
> Do you really think that sort of thing is helpful? If you express an
> opinion, at least have a reason for it, otherwise I know just where to
> file it.
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Matthew Lloyd wrote:
>
>> But the fan of rap would be wrong. Pure and simple.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER [mailto:mlmarmer@-----.net]
>> Sent: 30 December 2008 00:18
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>> Yes, I know what Rap refers to today, as I am not a fan of rap, but
>> someone
>> called it rubbish in a email here.
>>
>> To a fan of Rap it is not, as he might think Mozart is rubbish, etc.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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