Klarinet Archive - Posting 000198.txt from 2008/12

From: Alexander Brash <brash@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:20:31 -0500

Yeah, rappers talk about sex, drugs, cheating, lying, stealing,
killing, and rape. I can't think of a single Mozart opera on these
topics.

On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:03 AM, Peter Gentry wrote:

> I know what axiomatic means but the crux of all this argument/debate
> as
> usual is about definitions. I have sat through any number of science
> group
> meetings when heated arguments rage and almost always both sides
> have a
> point but they don't share a common definition.
>
> I suppose by rap I mean the puerile stuff that one hears when
> unfortunately
> tuning into the wrong radio station, full of bile and aggression
> urging the
> listener to various illegal activities. There is no point at which
> that
> touches me except to trigger the repulsion button. Maybe your Rap is
> something entirely different.
>
> I admit that noises produced by the human voice assisted by
> electronics or
> neat can be music (whatever that means) and in the right context even
> guttural strident dischord can be music. I perceive rap as entirely
> guttural
> dischord and aggression unleavened by any other emotion that is why it
> cannot be compared the the work of musicians such as Mozart who
> manage to
> tap into a wide spectrum of human emotion.
>
> Is that too ridiculous for you!
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
> Sent: 30 December 2008 18:16
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> Oh dear never mind.....
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 30 December 2008 11:29
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please don't
> bandy about words like "axiomatic" unless you are damn sure you know
> the connotations. Disliking rap is completely valid, your "argument"
> however, is ridiculous.
>
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>
>> The answer to some questions is axiomatic and requires no further
>> explanation. Certain forms of "rap" may display "interesting"
>> rhythmic
>> variations and hint at "melody" but the attempt to make any
>> comparison with
>> Mozart or indeed any serious (or comic) musician is unworthy of
>> further
>> consideration. Rap has a small sentence in the great book of music
>> alongside
>> Tale Ognenovski.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter Gentry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
>> Sent: 30 December 2008 01:57
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>> seriously, stereotype yourself more please :)
>>
>> Do you really think that sort of thing is helpful? If you express an
>> opinion, at least have a reason for it, otherwise I know just where
>> to
>> file it.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Matthew Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> But the fan of rap would be wrong. Pure and simple.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER [mailto:mlmarmer@-----.net]
>>> Sent: 30 December 2008 00:18
>>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>>
>>> Yes, I know what Rap refers to today, as I am not a fan of rap, but
>>> someone
>>> called it rubbish in a email here.
>>>
>>> To a fan of Rap it is not, as he might think Mozart is rubbish, etc.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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