Klarinet Archive - Posting 000197.txt from 2008/12

From: "Peter Gentry" <peter.gentry@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:03:08 -0500

I know what axiomatic means but the crux of all this argument/debate as
usual is about definitions. I have sat through any number of science group
meetings when heated arguments rage and almost always both sides have a
point but they don't share a common definition.

I suppose by rap I mean the puerile stuff that one hears when unfortunately
tuning into the wrong radio station, full of bile and aggression urging the
listener to various illegal activities. There is no point at which that
touches me except to trigger the repulsion button. Maybe your Rap is
something entirely different.

I admit that noises produced by the human voice assisted by electronics or
neat can be music (whatever that means) and in the right context even
guttural strident dischord can be music. I perceive rap as entirely guttural
dischord and aggression unleavened by any other emotion that is why it
cannot be compared the the work of musicians such as Mozart who manage to
tap into a wide spectrum of human emotion.

Is that too ridiculous for you!

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gentry [mailto:peter.gentry@-----.uk]
Sent: 30 December 2008 18:16
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

Oh dear never mind.....

regards
Peter Gentry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
Sent: 30 December 2008 11:29
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please don't
bandy about words like "axiomatic" unless you are damn sure you know
the connotations. Disliking rap is completely valid, your "argument"
however, is ridiculous.

On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Peter Gentry wrote:

> The answer to some questions is axiomatic and requires no further
> explanation. Certain forms of "rap" may display "interesting" rhythmic
> variations and hint at "melody" but the attempt to make any
> comparison with
> Mozart or indeed any serious (or comic) musician is unworthy of
> further
> consideration. Rap has a small sentence in the great book of music
> alongside
> Tale Ognenovski.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 30 December 2008 01:57
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>
> seriously, stereotype yourself more please :)
>
> Do you really think that sort of thing is helpful? If you express an
> opinion, at least have a reason for it, otherwise I know just where to
> file it.
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Matthew Lloyd wrote:
>
>> But the fan of rap would be wrong. Pure and simple.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER [mailto:mlmarmer@-----.net]
>> Sent: 30 December 2008 00:18
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: If Mozart Were Alive Today...
>>
>> Yes, I know what Rap refers to today, as I am not a fan of rap, but
>> someone
>> called it rubbish in a email here.
>>
>> To a fan of Rap it is not, as he might think Mozart is rubbish, etc.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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