Klarinet Archive - Posting 000140.txt from 2008/12

From: Alexander Brash <brash@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Beethoven Nine and Meaning
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:59:20 -0500

thanks Keith :)
On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Keith wrote:

> I agree with Peter. But to answer Alexander's question, this is a =20
> favourite
> and contentious topic amongst philosophers who work in the =20
> philosophy of
> music. Here is a partial reading list:
>
> Adorno, Theodor (1959) Musikalische Schriften, i: Klangfiguren =20
> (Berlin,
> 1959); reprs. of selected essays pubd as Nervenpunkte der neuen Musik
> (Hamburg, 1969)
>
> Cooke, Deryck (1959). The language of music. Oxford: OUP
>
> Davies, Stephen (2003). Themes in the Philosophy of Music. Oxford:
> University Press.
>
> Goehr, Lydia (1992). The Imaginary Museum of Musical Works. Oxford: =20=

> The
> Clarendon Press (which also reviews other theories, such as Nelson =20
> Goodman's
> nominalist theories).
>
> Ingarden, Roman (1928). The Work of Music and the Problem of its =20
> Identity.
> Tr. A. Czerniawski, ed. J.G. Harrell (1986). Berkeley & Los Angeles:
> University of California Press.
>
> Kivy, Peter (1995) Authenticities: Philosophical Reflections on =20
> Musical
> Performance. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
>
> Listenius, Nicolai. (1549). Musica: ab authore denuo recognita =20
> multisque
> novis regulis et exemplis adaucta. Facsimile ed. G Sch=FCnemann =20
> (Berlin 1927);
> quoted in Goehr (1992, 115).
>
> Scruton, Roger (1997). The Aesthetics of Music. Oxford: University =20
> Press.
>
>
> You will find Adorno's arguments in there, and pretty much each of =20
> the other
> writers has his or her own pet theory. Lydia Goehr is probably the =20
> best
> overall review (and at least she's the daughter of a composer). Roman
> Ingarden is the one I like best, which is not saying much as I do =20
> not think
> that any of them add significantly to musical understanding or =20
> performance.
> It's OK if philosophy is your interest, but not if it's music.
>
> You can probably tell that I've had to study this lot recently!
>
>
> Keith Bowen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: klarinet-return-94847-bowenk=3Dcompuserve.com@-----.org
> [mailto:klarinet-return-94847-bowenk=3Dcompuserve.com@-----.org] On =
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> Behalf
> Of Peter Gentry
> Sent: 29 December 2008 11:38
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Beethoven Nine and Meaning
>
>
> To my mind the search for "meaning" in music is time wasted. Music can
> amplify emotions, the famous Shostakovitch string quartet as an =20
> example. It
> has meaning only inasmuch as beauty has a meaning it inspires a part =20=

> of us
> that finds no outlet in the daily trials and tribulation of life. It =20=

> helps
> us transcend being in a special way but "meaning" hmm. Look too hard =20=

> and you
> will never find it.
>
> regards
> Peter Gentry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Brash [mailto:brash@-----.edu]
> Sent: 29 December 2008 07:11
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Beethoven Nine and Meaning
>
> I'm looking for an article and my googling skills have failed. I
> remember once reading what I thought was rather famous argument about
> where meaning lies in a musical work. Someone (I think it was Adorno?)
> had a thought experiment where he argued that Beethoven 9 didn't
> actually exist, since you couldn't point to where it existed (not in
> the score, a single performance, etc), along with some other
> ramifications. Does anyone know what I'm referring to? It's driving me
> bonkers. I might have read it in the Stravinsky Poetics of Music, but
> he was definitely quoting someone else...
>
>
>
>
>
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