Klarinet Archive - Posting 000076.txt from 2008/12

From: "Keith" <bowenk@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Gran Partitta, again, Part 2
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:14:17 -0500

Dan

Absolutely right of course. But I think Bear changed his position to him
HEARING a meter change such as a hemiola. This could be possible depending
on how it is played - see my other email - though I don't myself think
that's a good way to play it.

Keith Bowen

-----Original Message-----
From: klarinet-return-94784-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org
[mailto:klarinet-return-94784-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org] On Behalf
Of Dan Leeson
Sent: 18 December 2008 00:36
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partitta, again, Part 2

Bear, any suggestion that the movement in question has a meter change is
simply a dog that will not hunt. Go to the Uof A Music Library and look up
the score. THERE IS NO METER CHANGE ANYWHERE IN THE GRAN PARTITTA AND SIMPLY

TALKING ABOUT WHAT MOZART DID OR DID NOT DO ELSEWHERE WILL SHED NO LIGHT ON
THIS PROBLEM.

Dan Leeson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bear Woodson" <bearwoodson@-----.net>
To: "Klarinet List" <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: [kl] Gran Partitta, again, Part 2

>> > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:54:25 -0800
>> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>> > From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partitta, again
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <938D594632E745B881B60A28927C0D73@danielsys>
>> >
>> > Bear Woodson writes:
>> > Hello, Everyone.
>> > I have a few questions about the Gran Partitta, . . .
>> > The Second Movement has 2 Trios, and it sounds
>> > like Laughing Boy wrote a few phrases that Change
>> > Meters in the Second Trio. . .
>>
>> There are no meter changes in the second movement,
>> or anywhere else in the piece.
>
> Well it sure SOUNDS like a Change of Meter in that
> Second Trio. Could you please look at the score again
> and see if Laughing Boy used "Implied Changing Meters"?
>
> In Mozart's time, these were rare, but 100 years later,
> Brahms and other composers used them a LOT! This is
> where you may have a passage Officially in 4/4, but by
> Beaming Eighth-Notes together in unexpected ways
> Across Bar Lines, or by using Accents in unexpected
> places, you can make a passage sound like 3/4 or 5/4, or
> whatever meter, for a few bars. The result can be clever
> and fun.
>
> (Remember that Mozart DID use Poly-Meters in one
> passage of the Rondo of his Quartet for Oboe and
> Strings! He had the strings playing boom-chick-chick
> accompaniment in 6/8, while the Oboe was running up
> and down in Sixteenth-Notes, written in 2/4, for a few
> phrases!)
>
>> > I'm also wondering if they routinely print Alternate
>> > Part Books to replace the 2 Basset Horns, which are so
>> > rare and expensive these days, with the more commonly
>> > available Alto E-Flat Clarinets, or even 2 B-Flat Bass
>> > Clarinets. . .
>>
>> Every edition that I can think of provides clarinet parts to
>> replace the basset horn pair.
>
> I thought so. I'm guessing that this would be a lot of fun
> for Alto Players, who get too little literature. Thank You
> for confirming it!
>
>> (But if you play the work that way, all your hair will fall
>> out!!)
>
> I was never a woodwind player at all. Remember me?
> I'm just a composer, but all the hair on the top of my head
> fell out, long ago. . . Or maybe it just migrated to the lower
> half of my face.
>
> Did I mention that the Paranoids snuck into my apartment
> and replaced my bathroom mirror with a Trick Mirror?!?
> Every time I stand in front of it, it looks like someone stuffed
> a Wookie into a T-shirt, and slapped a baseball cap and coke-
> bottle-thick glasses on him! He looks more TACKY than
> imposing! However no one else seems to see it, when they
> look into that mirror!?!
>
>> > I'm also wondering if there are Adjusted Versions of
>> > the Double Bass Part, to better accommodate the Lower
>> > Written Range of a Contra Bassoon.
>>
>> No. There no adjusted version of the contra basso part.
>> (And if you use a contrabassoon, your teeth will fall out!)
>
> Again, I was never a woodwind player, but I have friends
> who play the Contra Bassoon, and they love participating in
> this beloved Masterpiece. . . However at my age and with my
> health problems, my teeth are threatening to fall out, anyway.
>
>> > While I'm asking, the Program Notes in that CD refer
>> > to 3 additional, spurious Mozart Bassoon Concerti, one
>> > in C and the other 2 in Bb.
>>
>> There is no evidence to support any claim that Mozart
>> wrote 3 additional basson concerti. And if you spread such
>> a rumor, your sex life will disappear entirely.
>> Dan Leeson
>
> Thank You again for confirming, because as a Music
> Theorist, I collect Research of such things. And again, I was
> never a bassoonist, and have been divorced years ago, more
> times than I need to admit legally. . . Did I mention the Trick
> Wookie Mirror and dental problems?
>
>
> Bear Woodson
> Composer in Tucson, Arizona, USA
>
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>
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> Season 5: # 3.) (Nov. 1997)
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>
>
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