Klarinet Archive - Posting 000094.txt from 2008/09

From: "Keith" <bowenk@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: Warm Air / Cold Air--trumpet
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:58:57 -0400

Exactly, Nancy.

Keith Bowen

-----Original Message-----
From: klarinet-return-94088-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org
[mailto:klarinet-return-94088-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org] On Behalf
Of Nancy Buckman
Sent: 23 September 2008 17:31
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: Warm Air / Cold Air--trumpet

It seems to me that with all winds, except the transverse flute, the air is

traveling through a confined space that is open only at the far end. For
brass

instruments, the sound is created at the lips. Air behind the lips is warm
when

leaving the body and the temperature cannot be changed at will, in my view.
For

woodwinds, the sound is created with the reed and the part that is vibrating
is

inside the mouth.

The two most compelling parts of the sound from wind instruments are the air
speed

and the shape of the space the air travels through. The air speed can only
be

changed by pushing with the core muscles. The quality of the sound (aural

characteristics, not including pitch) can be changed by changing the shape
of the

oral cavity. Since the dimensions of the individual oral cavity varies from
person

to person, it would be very hard to expect another person to duplicate the
sound of

a given individual. This is why, IMHO, that Ricardo Morales sounds like
Ricardo

Morales and Julian Bliss sounds like Julian Bliss - two distinctly different

sounding clarinetists.

I am no scientist, but until someone can prove to me satisfactorily that
aural

characteristics are not dependent upon the speed of the air as it leaves the
lungs,

and a dimensional changing of the oral cavity, this is what I see as the way
to

change sound quality. And the best example I know is the sound of the human

voice. Just my 2 cents.

Nancy

Nancy Buckman

Orchestra AACC

Opera AACC

Baltimore Flute Choir

Early Music Society of Northern MD

eefer@-----.com

On Tue Sep 23 11:20 , Howard Shertzer <shertzhg@-----.edu> sent:

>There have been too many emails on this subject, so this one more shouldn't

>hurt. The air temperature is the same. The sensation of a different

>temperature has to do with air speed. Higher air speed resulting from fast

>blowing results in greater evaporative cooling, and less so as the air
speed

>decreases. Blowing on the hand at a distance makes it feel that there is a

>difference in temperature.

>

>Prove it to yourself with a couple of experiments.

>Experiment 1. Make a tube with one or two hands and press it tightly
against

>the mouth (like a mouthpiece). Do the blowing experiment.

>Experiment 2. Use the cardboard from a toilet paper roll and stick a
digital

>(baby) thermometer into the middle. The thermometer should read in 10ths of

>a degree-F. Press it tightly against the mouth and do the blowing

>experiment. You will find the temperatures to be the same.

>

>It seems to me that it really doesn't matter what the temperature is. The

>important thing is to generate the proper sound or feeling for a given

>passage. If it works to visualize different temperatures, then that is a

>good thing.

>

>Howard G. Shertzer, Ph.D.

>Professor of Environmental Health & Center for Environmental Genetics

>Director, Division of Environmental Genetics & Molecular Toxicology

>University of Cincinnati Medical Center

>Cincinnati, OH 45267-0056

>Voice (513) 558-0522; Fax (513) 558-0925

>Web: http://www.eh.uc.edu/dir_individual_details.asp?qcontactid=70

>Email shertzhg@-----.edu

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Audrey Travis [clr91nt@-----.ca]

>Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:55 AM

>To: klarinet@-----.org

>Subject: Re: [kl] Re: Warm Air / Cold Air--trumpet

>

>Despite your attempt to prove your superior knowledge (so pleasant to

>have you jump down my throat!) and your tone and words suggesting YOU

>have the ULTIMATE ANSWER, I stand by my words and the general concept.

>I, too, have my sources, highly accomplished and respected.

>

>That is all I will say on the subject.

>

>Audrey

>On 23-Sep-08, at 3:17 AM, kurtheisig@-----.net wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: Audrey Travis clr91nt@-----.ca>

>>

>>

>>> Fairly standard concept in brass instrumental playing - blow softly

>>> and

>>> warm air results. Blow the air very fast = cold air. In brass

>>> playing, the tighter mouth corners for cold (fast) air helps produce

>>> high notes. I don't know if this relates to clarinet, though.

>>

>>> Cheers

>>>

>>> Audrey

>>

>>

>> To All,

>>

>> "ACTUALLY, FOR HIGH NOTES THE LIPS CONTRACT TOWARDS THE MOUTHPIECE

>> SLIGHTLY" ----CLAUDE GORDON- great trumpet teacher and foremost

>> protege of Herbert L Clarke 1st cornet in the JP Sousa Band.

>>

>> It is unfortunate that there is so much mis-information out there that

>> is taken widely as correct. Please make sure this idea does not get

>> spread further, as it would cause a great deal of damage to potential

>> future brass players.

>>

>> In 1936 or 1937 there was a printer's error in an ed journal that gave

>> an incorrect model of a trumpet mouthpiece as the best one for

>> students to start on. For some reason that mis-information has stuck

>> and to this day most teachers tell kids to get a mouthpiece that just

>> doesn't work well at all. It is totally wrong acoustically.

>>

>> Another well-known brass disaster was a teacher in an east coast

>> city--a sax player--who taught this system for playing high notes in a

>> short period of time. The "system" was utter nonsense, and many

>> players never recovered.

>>

>> I am sure Audrey was well-intentioned, but this mis-information could

>> cause a great deal of damage if promulgated, so PLEASE do not repeat

>> it to kids.

>>

>> Kurt

>>

>> ( I worked with Dr Gordon for 25 years, and assisted him for 5 years

>> in teaching a year long course on the "correct teaching of brass

>> instruments". He could wax quite salty over myths about brass

>> playing!)

>>

>>

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