Klarinet Archive - Posting 000080.txt from 2008/07

From: Martin Baxter <martinbaxter@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] New CD of Mozart
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:26:54 -0400

May I add to this.
There have been various works ascribed to great composers which have =20
subsequently been found to be by others. There are also isolated =20
works by lesser known composers that are on a par with most of the =20
output of the greatest (such as Dussek's F minor piano sonata). =20
Unless one has documentary/physical proof that Mozart or another made =20=

the arrangements the best one could say is "contemporary arrangement, =20=

conceivably by Mozart".
Martin
On 8 Jul 2008, at 23:02, Daniel Leeson wrote:

> Sean, thanks for the interesting info about the three clarinet =20
> quintets.
> Klocker's comments "that the arrangements are too good to be =20
> anyone=92s but
> Mozart=92s" is a bankrupt statement without substance. It is the kind =
of
> statement that might be said by a 16-year old after a year's worth of
> lessons, but from a pro like him, he is simply trying to convince =20
> you of the
> authority of the arrangement by telling you that he knows better =20
> than you
> about what real Mozart is. It's crap, and Voxman is more on top of =20=

> that
> matter than Klocker will ever be.
>
> Do not trust anything historic that Klocker writes about. He =20
> decides first
> what authority he wants the piece to have and then he makes puffery to
> convince you.
>
> The other analogous statement made to throw sand in your eyes is =20
> this: "the
> work is so good that only Mozart could have composed it." When =20
> given either
> one of these two statements on authenticity, draw an fire.
>
> Dan Leeson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Osborn [mailto:feanor33@-----.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:25 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] New CD of Mozart
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> My recent post about Erika and Todd reminded me
> that I needed to let you all know that my latest CD was released =20
> last week.
>
> It's of the Mozart Quintet, K. 581, and Quartet
> No. 3, K. 496 (also for clarinet and strings -
> notes below for those interested in origins.) I
> recorded with some wonderful colleagues of the Ballard Quartet.
>
> Amazon is currently out of stock, but the Borders
> link (with no pic - Amazon has one) is
> http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=3D034061103325
>
> It's not on iTunes yet, but will be soon, and I haven't checked =20
> eMusic.
>
> Anyway, I hope you enjoy it!
>
> Sean
>
> The genesis of the three Quartets for
> Clarinet and Strings (originally Op. 79) is more
> clouded. The first two, in B-flat and F major,
> are arrangements of the Sonatas for violin and
> piano in B-flat =93the little,=94 K. 378 (317d), and
> in E-flat, K. 380 (374f). The third, presented
> here in F major, is after the Trio for violin,
> =91cello, and piano in G major, K. 496. They were
> all published by Johann Anton Andr=E9 in 1799 as
> Op. 77, but no autograph remains.
> There is some speculation as to the
> author of the arrangements. While Dieter Kl=F6cker
> feels that the arrangements are too good to be
> anyone=92s but Mozart=92s, Hymie Voxman is convinced
> that they could not possibly be Mozart=92s. One of
> Voxman=92s most persuasive arguments is that it
> would have been in Andr=E9=92s best interests to
> publicize the fact of Mozart arranging his own
> work, but didn=92t. While I=92m inclined to feel
> that it was a master who felt quite comfortable
> with the clarinet and with Mozart=92s work (leaving
> out a variation in the third movement and
> composing several new measures near the end),
> there are just too many instances of poor choices
> in the arrangement for me to agree with Herr
> Kl=F6cker, such as voice crossings in the second
> movement, inconsistencies in articulation, and
> strange doublings in the strings.
> For this recording, we consulted both
> Herr Kl=F6cker=92s and Mr. Voxman=92s editions,
> correcting what we felt were occasional
> oversights by both, and ornamenting where we saw
> fit. Though Mr. Kl=F6cker=92s edition states that it
> was originally for C clarinet, I decided to record on a B-flat =20
> clarinet.
> www.osbornmusic.com
>
>
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