Klarinet Archive - Posting 000054.txt from 2008/04

From: "Karl Krelove" <karlkrelove@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Schubert 8th Symphony - 3/4 or 6/8?
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:39:11 -0400

Beware completely ignoring the conductor - although sometimes it seems
easier to close your eyes and open your ears a little more. The situations
that quietly drive me up a wall as a player are the ones in which the
conductor himself doesn't (can't?) keep those smallest subdivisions in his
head when he shifts beat patterns, leading to twos that don't equal the
threes they're meant to cover or ones that aren't long enough to accommodate
the tempo that had begun in two. Brahms is full of spots that conductors
seem to like to "shape" by conducting hemiolas either within measures or
over barlines, sometimes upsetting the tempo in the process. I often wonder:
with whom are the conductors who do this trying to communicate? If it really
makes a passage easier for a particular group of players who must be
together, it can be a useful strategy. Much of the time it seems as if
conductors have decided ahead of time to shift meters because of the "feel"
of the music (even though the composer didn't see a need to write the
change, thinking I suppose foolishly that he had written it clearly enough
within the general meter to make the shift clear to listeners) and in the
absence of any clue that the orchestra they're conducting is going to need
the help - creating eye-candy that's maybe aimed more at the audience than
the orchestra.

Karl

-----Original Message-----
From: GrabnerWG@-----.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:27 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Schubert 8th Symphony - 3/4 or 6/8?

In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:58:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
forestaten@-----.com writes:
No matter which part you're involved with....you must keep the smallest
value notes running in your internal rhythmic mechanism.
Don't fight it....>>

There are times when you just ignore the conductor and play your part.

Walter Grabner
www.clarinetxpress.com

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