Klarinet Archive - Posting 000321.txt from 2008/01
From: "Daniel Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:47:47 -0500
Thanks Kurt. If I get to Santa Cruz, I'll give you a buzz, but it is =
very rare for me to get down that way.
Dan Leeson
dnleeson@-----.net=20
SKYPE: dnleeson
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From: kurtheisig@-----.net]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:49 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
Danny,=20
I own 2 fine C's. One an Amellotte, and the other a 1975 Buffet. =
Whenever C clarinet is called for I bring both and offer to let the =
other player use the Buffet, which is less cranky, though lacking that =
lyric sound of the Amelotte. Usually the player will refuse to try it, =
for any of a variety of reasons. None of them are logical, since he =
refuses BEFORE trying the instrument.
When you are coming down, let me know ahead of time and I will bring =
them to the shop for you to see. Also, much of the band library is from =
the 1800's and calls for both Bb and C clarinets in many of the =
arrangements. Since the ones that call for C clarinet seldom have oboe, =
one assumes it was because of the lack of oboe players in town and =
company bands in those days? Rocky Rojas has played my C on some of them =
in concert and the sound is NICE in band!
Kurt=20
-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Leeson <dnleeson@-----.net>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2008 12:01 PM
>To: klarinet@-----.org
>Subject: RE: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
>
>I thank Mike for giving his experience with C clarinets, which I =
believe to
>be absolutely accurate. About 15 years ago, I played basset horn in a
>performance of Richard Strauss' "Happy Workshop." The piece calls for =
5
>clarinet players, 2 of whom play B-flat clarinet, 1 who plays C =
clarinet,
>plus basset horn and bass clarinet (separate players). Wonderful piece.
>
>At the first rehearsal (to which I had brought my C clarinet knowing =
that an
>opportunity was likely to arise), the fine first player of the St. =
Louis
>Symphony played the C clarinet part on a B-flat clarinet transposing =
it. At
>the first break, I asked him if he would like to play the part on my C, =
and
>he was very hesitant saying that he had never found one that played =
well,
>and he didn't like them, etc.
>
>Still I suggested that he might try it, and perhaps to get me off his =
back,
>he agreed. Except at rehearsals, I never saw the C clarinet for several
>days. He had so fallen in love with the instrument's timbre, and the =
sound
>of the Strauss was so much improved by the instrument, that he would =
not
>give the instrument back to me until after the gig was over. We played =
that
>at the Summer Music program in Santa Barbara, so there was a lot of =
going to
>the beach. He even played my C on the beach. (I'd like to say that =
girls
>came around to frolic to the sound of C clarinet, but it didn't =
happen.)
>
>Two years later we played the other Strauss work called, "The Invalid's
>Workshop," a much more difficult work using A clarinets and an A bass. =
I
>still played basset horn. But the players changed, and the person who =
had
>the C clarinet part wouldn't hear of playing it on a C. And no amount =
of
>discussion caused him/her (I forget which) to chage the mind. The piece
>suffered badly because the wind voicings just didn't work.
>
>There was a lesson in there and even though I no longer play,I have not
>forgotten it to this day.
>
>Dan Leeson
>dnleeson@-----.net
>SKYPE: dnleeson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Vaccaro [mailto:mike@-----.com]
>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:04 AM
>To: klarinet@-----.org
>Subject: Re: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
>
>
>I have transposed C clarinet parts many times. Having the advantage of
>owning a C clarinet with a good mouthpiece I can tell you when the =
whole
>section is playing on a C clarinet for a written C clarinet part it is =
quite
>a unique sound. I must believe that some composers actually wanted that
>sound. I have recorded the Caprice for C Clarinet and can say that the =
sound
>is worth the work of maintaining another instrument.
>
>Mike Vaccaro
>www.MikeVaccaro.Com
>www.VaccaroandStevensWoodwinds.Com
>www.MamdMMouthpieces.Com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel Leeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
>To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:38 AM
>Subject: RE: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
>
>
>> That depends on both the publisher and the date of the publication. =
C
>> clarinets were in common use all the way through the last half of the =
19th
>> century and into the 20th. I don't know when publishers started
>> transposing
>> clarinet parts for the convenience of those who could not transpose, =
but I
>> suspect it is a 20th century practice, say from the 1930's. But that =
is a
>> guess.
>>
>> Dan Leeson
>> dnleeson@-----.net
>> SKYPE: dnleeson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph H. Fasel [mailto:jhf@-----.gov]
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:30 AM
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Mendelssohn and C clarinets
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> That occurred to me (that the printed parts don't necessarily reflect
>> the composer's intent), but I would say that the presence of any C-
>> clarinet movements at all argues against that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --Joe
>>
>>
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