Klarinet Archive - Posting 000097.txt from 2007/05

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: Wagner
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:00:13 -0400

Regarding your point 1, Meistersinger has no Jewish characters.

Also, with respect to the same point, the Wagnerian mythologies
are not repackaging of pre-Chrisitan stories. They are entirely
inventions by Wagner.

The rest of your reactions represent your opinion and, therefore,
cannot be argued with. If that is what you think, then that is
what you think. That I find it naive and ill-informed is not
terribly important.

Thanks for responding.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: MPWord -- Vann Turner [mailto:vjoet@-----.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 4:22 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] Re: Wagner

Dan, thanks for taking the time to write out a precis for the
arguments that
Wagner wanted to disseminate hate in his operas.

It was interesting reading, but far from convincing.

1. The mythologies transpire in a remote past, pre-Christian and
pre-Moses,
and we have no Jewish characters. (I believe only Meistersinger,
his one
comedy, contains Jewish characters, but my recollection on this
may be
wrong.)

2. To appropriate to exclusively a Jewish target sub-human
attributes seems
to be ascribing to a group where Wagner didn't specify a group.

3. Any artist wishes to communicate. I think we need to look at
contemporary
reviews of his operas to see if any perceptive reviewer picked up
and wrote
about a Jewish attribution. If contemporaries (holding the same
world-view)
didn't get it, the precis collapses and collapses utterly.

4. That Hitler admired Wagner's work is immaterial. Reagan liked
Sinatra.
Can we therefore say Sinatra's mafia connection and attitudes
influenced
Reagan's politics?

5. I'll get the books I spoke about, but at this point it seems
you are
seeing persecution where persecution doesn't exist (= paranoid),
and in the
process are besmearching a great artist.

Vann Joe
(amateur)

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