Klarinet Archive - Posting 000081.txt from 2007/05

From: kurtheisig@-----.net
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:50:47 -0400

Indeed there is a moral dilemma attached to appreciating the work of a monster.

I remember so well the day in 1957 when I was 9 years old and I found out that my great grandparents had perished in one of Stalin's camps. I decided that day that I would understand hate and mass-psychology. Several thousand books later I realize that our own society is so very close to Wagner's.

Over time I have learned how pervasive it can be. My grandfather's sister was a very distinguished MD and a very lovely lady---I thought. One day when I was 16 she burst out with "Damn niggers, damn Jews, damn Czechs!" I froze and tried with all I was worth to show no emotion. In my mind was the thought that she was from Czechoslovakia, Austria when she left it, and that she was at least a quarter Czech! Since then, research has suggested more than 1/4, and also, likely, part Jewish!

I have read Edwin Black's book IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Utterly shocking. IBM was complicit, and I don't think it could have been anywhere near as bad without their contribution. Perhaps I should never use anything IBM? We are using a technology here that was largely developed in it's infancy by people of monstrous views. The space program's early pioneers were largely Nazi's. The genetic views of the Nazi's were endemic to many European cultures, and taught in California universities and passed on to the Germans.

Jacques Cousteau had his start as a Fascisti and had despicable views late in life on population reduction.

Many American companies were in bed with the Nazis and often knew full-well what was going on. Ford, ITT, Standard Oil etc. Is it true that a certain president and his father-in-law were indicted by the US Senate for funding Germany during the war? The Bank of International Settlement continued on through the war as if nothing was happening.

To read of the major international banking houses involvement then, and in all conflicts, is really disheartening.

The Bechstein family were early contributers to Hitler. Early enough that perhaps they were members of the Thule Society and followers of Madame Blavatsky too? Does that mean I should only be accompanied by Baldwin?

We hear so little of Japanese companies involvement, but some of them were doing research as evil as Mengele did.

Operation Paperclip allowed thousands of Nazis to come to the Americas, and Mengele came to the USA several times after the war. Why are we not outraged with our own government?

During the Philippine occupation, horrible crimes were committed largely by second rate troops from an area of Japan that today we think of as victims of the Japanese and as an innocent people. Those people today have their own independent government.

If I shut off some things from my life because of a person or persons that were monstrous, must I shut off all? BASF, I G Farben, and Bayer are targets for my thoughts then. Porsche contributed much to Hitler's efforts, was I wrong to own Vokswagons?

It is true that when lyrics are added to music, the choice may be harder....

Kurt

. However, I tried to describe the way I
>perceive Wagner. If you are unwilling to discuss the artistic merits of
>Wagner with me, please be so kind and reduce my reply to the questions: Is
>someone who hates all Jews not obviously an idiot? How can an idiot create
>works of art? Is not a mind required to write music? Is not the music
>created by the same mind that writes letters and diaries? Did not Wagner's
>brain cook up the obnoxious things found in his letters and diaries? How
>could the same brain be trusted to write music? Is it not suspicious, that
>the Nazis were crazy about Wagner, while they hated Webern?
>
>Best wishes,
>danyel
>
>www.echoton.de/clar.html

>------------------------------------------------------------------
>

------------------------------------------------------------------