Klarinet Archive - Posting 000112.txt from 2006/12
From: clarni bass <clarnibass@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] OK. I give up
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:48:21 -0500
You missed my point.
I belive you that the instrument is great. I believe
you that you like gold plating. My opinion on gold
plating is irelevent.
I was just trying to come up with another possibility
of why even someone who is looking for a very good
basset horn and is willing to spend a lot of money on
it wouldn't buy yours.
--- dnleeson <dnleeson@-----.net> wrote:
> Don't give me this "some people think" talk as if it
> constitutes
> serious evidence. Exactly how many people actually
> told you that
> a gold plated instrument is "ridiculous"? I perceive
> anyone who
> would make such a statement to be ridiculous. It may
> be true that
> you don't think that the physical beauty of an
> instrument adds to
> the ability to play it better, but I do.
>
> If you don't think it's worth the price, that's OK.
> I don't mind
> that. But I've played it for 10 years and I think it
> to be worth
> every dollar.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clarni bass [mailto:clarnibass@-----.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:40 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] OK. I give up
>
>
> I spent a minute checking Stephen Fox website for
> the
> price of a new one. It's about $8,000 US for the
> open
> hole model. I doubt a closed holes model is $2,500
> US
> more (or maybe it is?). Some people don't care for
> or
> about gold plating (and some even think it's quite
> ridiculous!) so a new closed holes silver plated one
> is probably less expensive than your price. So in
> exchange for the waiting time someone can get a new
> one with probably some specifications made
> especially
> and a warrenty. This is just something that (in the
> very slim chance someone who might be interested in
> this basset horn noticed the eBay auction) would
> still, maybe, cause them not to buy it.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Laurence Beckhardt <lbeckhardt@-----.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Fair enough.
> >
> > I only take issue with your statement that implies
> > that your bsthrn would only be appreciated by
> > someone
> > with the means to pay for it. That's crass and
> > insulting to those of us who can't afford the $10K
> > right now, but understand the real worth of a
> > beautifully made basset horn, as well as its
> > literature.
> >
> > Donald Trump could buy it easily and turn it into
> a
> > lamp for one of his building lobbies - would that
> > make
> > you happy?
> >
> > There are very few things in this world (aside
> from
> > family and friends) that give me more pleasure
> than
> > playing the Gran Partita, Requiem, Notturni, etc.
> on
> > my wonderful $2000 used Leblanc Basset Horn.
> >
> > --- dnleeson <dnleeson@-----.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I buy and sell a lot of things on ebay. And one
> > of
> > > the
> > > techniques available to a seller is to state a
> > price
> > > that is
> > > below what s/he will sell it for. It is called
> > "the
> > > reserve
> > > price" and no one knows what it is until someone
> > > bids enough to
> > > stumble over it. But any bids made up to the
> time
> > > that the
> > > reserve price is made known are met with a
> > statement
> > > that the
> > > bidder is still under the reserve price, or too
> > low
> > > to accept.
> > >
> > > Now having stated how the reserved price system
> > > works, I'd like
> > > to mention that it is one of my least favorite
> > > bidding
> > > techniques, either as a seller or a buyer. That
> is
> > > because as a
> > > buyer, I'm working blind, and as a seller I see
> it
> > > as arrogant to
> > > lure a person into a buy position and then say,
> > > "Sorry poopsie,
> > > that's not enough money."
> > >
> > > It irritates the hell out of me when I see it
> > happen
> > > as a buyer,
> > > and so I deliberately chose never to use it as a
> > > seller. I hold
> > > the opinion that an intelligent buyer will
> > > appreciate the fact
> > > that the seller establishes a reasonable selling
> > > price, which is
> > > exactly what I did. Certainly, assuming that the
> > > buyer is an
> > > idiot is no way to approach a sale. And assuming
> > > that the seller
> > > is either ignorant or a crook or both is also no
> > way
> > > to approach
> > > a sale.
> > >
> > > In the years of working ebay, I have developed a
> > > 100% approval
> > > rating, and I did so by making the most serious
> > > effort to supply
> > > an item at a price that is attractive and
> > > reasonable. So far, I
> > > have been fairly successful, and never sold
> > anything
> > > at other
> > > than a reasonable profit, and, once or twice, at
> > an
> > > astonishingly
> > > high profit.
> > >
> > > What I think I will do now, is go to the
> Oklahoma
> > > clarinet
> > > festival next summer with the instrument so that
> > any
> > > interested
> > > parties can see and play it. The price will
> remain
> > > unchanged,
> > > which is because I am more interested in selling
> > it
> > > to someone
> > > who will appreciate it than simply disposing of
> > it.
> > > Keep in mind
> > > that I am in the best kind of financial
> position;
> > > i.e., I don't
> > > need the money to live. But that does not mean
> > that
> > > I will allow
> > > myself to be manhandled.
> > >
> > > Oh yes: the economic issues. Did I mention that,
> > as
> > > a basset
> > > hornist, one can make a considerable amount of
> > money
> > > if you know
> > > the repertoire, can play well, and live in the
> > right
> > > geography.
> > > First, the instrument is tax deductible, and
> > second,
> > > with as few
> > > as four gigs a year, it will take 10 years to
> > > amortize the cost.
> > > But you have to know something about music, and
> > you
> > > need to be
> > > agressive. Anyone who hears of a performance of
> > the
> > > Mozart
> > > Requiem and who does not react at once, is never
> > > going to get any
> > > work as a basset hornist. Get one performance of
> > > Rosenkavalier,
> > > play the part well, and people are going to seek
> > you
> > > out. And you
> > > have to be aware of the fact that no one plays
>
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