Klarinet Archive - Posting 000180.txt from 2006/10

From: Fred Jacobowitz <fbjacobo@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Greek Clarinet Music
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:35:12 -0400

A Shifteteli is a duple meter tune. It is usually fairly slow, unlike
the moderate-to fast Syrto. Get any belly dance music recording and
you'll find Shiftetelis.

Fred Jacobowitz

Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
Ebony and Ivory Duo
On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Ellie Anastasiou wrote:

> Does anyone know what meter Tsifteteli is in?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thompson"
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> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:46 AM
> Subject: [kl] Greek Clarinet Music
>
>
>> List,
>> It seems that someone out there must have much
>> experience than I, but aside from Fred Jacobowitz, no
>> one else seems to be speaking from experience. Well,
>> I have danced the Syrtos about a million times in
>> recreational dance situations, and it has never been
>> clear to me what the meter is. It is a
>> 'slow-quick-quick' dance step. Is it closer to 3-2-2
>> or 4-2-2 (i.e. 2-1-1) or something in between? I bet
>> that if you went to Los Angeles and hired a Greek band
>> for a wedding you would still find the musicians to be
>> working from an aural tradition. I have heard that a
>> hundred years ago when Middle European folk dances
>> were getting written down by musicologists, the meters
>> as played by the musicians did not always fit neatly
>> into the western systems used to record them. Is this
>> discussion an example of this? Or maybe in the
>> villages the meter varied slightly from town to town,
>> tradition to tradition, or tune to tune. Is this
>> possible from your point of view, Fred?
>> I'm about to drive down the hill to Bakersfield. I'll
>> take a CD of Greek dances and see if I can work it out
>> better as I drive. :)
>> Wayne Thompson
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