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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000081.txt from 2006/06
From: Fred <fred.sheim@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] F - D - F fingering
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:21:28 -0400
Thank you to everybody who made suggestions as to this problematic phrase.
Here is what I found.
NONE of the alternate fingerings made anything easier for me. As a
matter of fact, I tried every alternate fingering in every fingering
book that I have without success. My open D has NO tone quality
whatsoever, and is quite flat, and lifting the thumb while holding
the register key down feels too terrible to try again!
It is NOT a finger problem for me- I have been playing for 46 years
and consider my playing to be at a professional level, although music
is not my profession. I can play the e-a tremolo that one person
described with no problem, although it comes out slightly slower than
an "easy" tremolo.
It IS an embouchure issue. I was playing the study at MM=120, quite
fast. If I slow down there is no problem with the f-d-f. A lot of
experimentation gave me the awareness of the feeling of the
particular tension in my embouchure for the F and for the D. Now
all that remains is to be able to get that switch of tension (coming
down) up to speed! I am surprised- not many things trip me up like
this! I have also been toying with playing the D WITHOUT the RH
pinky down on Ab/Eb.
BTW, the f-d-f is occurs in two places, one preceded by a second
space A and the other preceded by a first space F. I think that the
VERY wide leaps in the quartet of notes is what contributes to its difficulty.
Fred
At 05:10 PM 6/16/2006, you wrote:
>The open D only sounds nasty if you are not used to playing
>it. True, what is difficult for one may not be for another, but it
>is a massive waste of energy to try to use a half hole to F-D-F in
>this context. Being a bassist I am quite familiar with the half
>hole and I teach it like a mad dog, but it just isn't helpful here
>IMO. The open D can be had with relatively little work. I think
>some of us would be shocked at the wide eyes I see when I teach this
>to my students and they realize how easy it to play.
>
> [roger.shilcock@-----.uk] wrote:
>
>Another problem with the "open" D is that it makes quite a nasty noise, quite
>different in quality from the F. There seems to be nothing wrong with what
>Keith B. recommends. The difficulty is basically an embouchure problem and
>nothing to do with fingering.
>Roger S.
>
>
>
>In message <004f01c69175$e2a84ec0$0302a8c0@-----.org
>writes:
> > I think it is not rude, but unwise, to tell someone else what
> they will find
> > difficult. They may find it easier. We can present ideas and let them try
> > them out and choose.
> >
> > I personally use the open D sometimes, but only in fast passages when the
> > tuning is not too noticeable; on my horns it tends to be a little flat. It
> > has the advantage that it stays on the same harmonic as the lower note, so
> > is less likely to fly out of control or to delay in speaking.
> >
> > With the standard fingering, a useful technique is to change the
> way the LH1
> > is removed. Instead of lifting it directly off, roll it towards
> the bell end
> > of the clarinet; this makes the upper harmonic speak more easily. I think
> > this is probably because it starts with a small hole at the
> beginning of the
> > roll; this is more appropriate for a "register key" hole, which
> is what this
> > becomes in the third register. LH1 is acoustically too large to be a good
> > register hole (hence the small holes in LH1 plateau keys on the bass and
> > basset horn).
> >
> > Keith Bowen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: klarinet-return-87821-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org
> > [mailto:klarinet-return-87821-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org] On Behalf
> > Of Patton Hunnicutt
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:23 PM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] F - D - F fingering
> >
> >
> > I'm not going to be rude. What you're suggesting is far more difficult.
> > Period.
> >
> > [timr@-----.com] wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Patton Hunnicutt
> > <bass9396@-----.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Play the D open. No register key, no nothing. Fairly easy to
> slur. Have
> > fun!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's hard for me to see how that could be better. Making the transition
> > from that open D to the clarino F requires laying down all the fingers
> > on the left hand plus the thumb, AND the right index finger. If they
> > aren't down simultaneously, you'll get intermediate tones. Coordinating
> > multihand movements like that is tricky. We recently did a piece with a
> > tremolo between top-space E and first ledger A (excerpts from de Meij's
> > "Lord Of The Rings'). It took a fair amount of concentration to make
> > that work without getting a G or an Ab mixed in.
> >
> > I'm a little confused as to why the stock standard fingerings for F and
> > D aren't the best choice. That requires moving exactly one finger
> > (L1). I suppose the root of the problem is that one has to change
> > registers between them.
> >
> > --
> > Tim Roberts, timr@-----.com
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