Klarinet Archive - Posting 000074.txt from 2006/06

From: Patton Hunnicutt <bass9396@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] F - D - F fingering
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:03:04 -0400

The open D only sounds nasty if you are not used to playing it. True, what is difficult for one may not be for another, but it is a massive waste of energy to try to use a half hole to F-D-F in this context. Being a bassist I am quite familiar with the half hole and I teach it like a mad dog, but it just isn't helpful here IMO. The open D can be had with relatively little work. I think some of us would be shocked at the wide eyes I see when I teach this to my students and they realize how easy it to play.

[roger.shilcock@-----.uk] wrote:

Another problem with the "open" D is that it makes quite a nasty noise, quite
different in quality from the F. There seems to be nothing wrong with what
Keith B. recommends. The difficulty is basically an embouchure problem and
nothing to do with fingering.
Roger S.

In message <004f01c69175$e2a84ec0$0302a8c0@-----.org
writes:
> I think it is not rude, but unwise, to tell someone else what they will find
> difficult. They may find it easier. We can present ideas and let them try
> them out and choose.
>
> I personally use the open D sometimes, but only in fast passages when the
> tuning is not too noticeable; on my horns it tends to be a little flat. It
> has the advantage that it stays on the same harmonic as the lower note, so
> is less likely to fly out of control or to delay in speaking.
>
> With the standard fingering, a useful technique is to change the way the LH1
> is removed. Instead of lifting it directly off, roll it towards the bell end
> of the clarinet; this makes the upper harmonic speak more easily. I think
> this is probably because it starts with a small hole at the beginning of the
> roll; this is more appropriate for a "register key" hole, which is what this
> becomes in the third register. LH1 is acoustically too large to be a good
> register hole (hence the small holes in LH1 plateau keys on the bass and
> basset horn).
>
> Keith Bowen
>
>
>
>
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> Of Patton Hunnicutt
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> Subject: Re: [kl] F - D - F fingering
>
>
> I'm not going to be rude. What you're suggesting is far more difficult.
> Period.
>
> [timr@-----.com] wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Patton Hunnicutt
> <bass9396@-----.com> wrote:
>
> >Play the D open. No register key, no nothing. Fairly easy to slur. Have
> fun!
> >
> >
>
> It's hard for me to see how that could be better. Making the transition
> from that open D to the clarino F requires laying down all the fingers
> on the left hand plus the thumb, AND the right index finger. If they
> aren't down simultaneously, you'll get intermediate tones. Coordinating
> multihand movements like that is tricky. We recently did a piece with a
> tremolo between top-space E and first ledger A (excerpts from de Meij's
> "Lord Of The Rings'). It took a fair amount of concentration to make
> that work without getting a G or an Ab mixed in.
>
> I'm a little confused as to why the stock standard fingerings for F and
> D aren't the best choice. That requires moving exactly one finger
> (L1). I suppose the root of the problem is that one has to change
> registers between them.
>
> --
> Tim Roberts, timr@-----.com
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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