Klarinet Archive - Posting 000021.txt from 2006/05

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Grand Duo
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:55:56 -0400

This wander through the valley of the shadow of Weber's Grand Duo
Concertante has been fascinating to me for a reason that is not
obvious. Lori Musicant (fabulous name!) was searching for
something that she might use and which had as much of Weber's
ideas in it as she could get. A very meritorious objective, Lori.
I congratulate your for your interest.

Now having travelled that bumpy highway, which included
discarding the always-should-be-forgotten Carl Fisher edition,
Lori arrived at Tony Pay's version, liked it, and decided to use
it as a clean slate. Terrific idea. But now comes the gilding of
the lily because all hell suddenly broke loose. Not sufficiently
satisfied with what Tony did, she then decided to muddy the
waters all over again by adding Pamela Weston's addenda.

And Tony rightly told her that Weston's supplements are of
uncertain value. (I'm trying my best to be politic here.) But
then Tony adds, "We also have an edition by Carl Baermann, which
represents what Carl remembered of what his dad did, plus
(probably) his own ideas. Clearly this is worth looking at,
because what Heinrich Baermann thought -- even what Carl Baermann
thought -- should be considered."

And that is how defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory when
one is very close to having a good edition. After arriving at a
clean slate, and being deterred from muddying the waters with
Pamela's ideas, Lori is then advised that things that Carl
Baermann might have remembered about what his father did, plus
his own thoughts are all worth looking at. That is debatable.

And 1-2-3, one gets back into a hodgepodge of ideas of uncertain
authority and possibly questionable value.

Enough already! Simplify, Lori. Simplify.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: tony.pay@-----.com]On Behalf Of
Tony
Pay
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:27 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Grand Duo

On 5/3/06, Lori Musicant <lmusicant@-----.com> wrote:

> I have been using Tony Pay's computerized Urtext version for
the last few
> weeks- found it on a search on woodwind.org as I was silly
enough to
> purchase the Carl Fischer edition and anyone who owns that
knows it is
> impossible to read. With the exception of one or two note
errors, which are
> easy enough to correct, I found that starting with a clean
slate has been
> much easier.

I'm glad you found it useful, Lori.

> And I've learned a few things, too, by copying in the markings
which Pamela
> Weston believes are Weber's.

No, no no!!

They aren't what Pamela Weston believes are Weber's. We have
what
actually ARE Weber's in what I posted.

We also have an edition by Carl Baermann, which represents what
Carl
remembered of what his dad did, plus (probably) his own ideas.
Clearly this is worth looking at, because what Heinrich Baermann
thought -- even what Carl Baermann thought -- should be
considered,
even if in the end you want to discard it. That's because they
indicate something of the 'sort of thing' Weber's performers did.

What Pamela Weston puts in is rather what SHE thinks we ought to
do.

But, who cares what she thinks? She writes good books about
clarinet
players, but....she's not a player, she understands very little
of the
style....

Her annotations are greatly damaging, in my opinion. I've
written
about it here before, and you can find it in the archives.

Tony

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