Klarinet Archive - Posting 000014.txt from 2006/05

From: "Keith" <bowenk@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re:Weber Duo Concertante
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 02:31:02 -0400

David

Do you have a view on which is the closest of the published editions to the
manuscript?

Keith Bowen

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> [mailto:klarinet-return-87496-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org] On
> Behalf Of David B. Niethamer
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> Subject: Re: [kl] Re:Weber Duo Concertante
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Lorraine wrote:
>
> > Thank you Margaret, someone else suggested this to me today - just
> > need to
> > see if I can find someone who has a copy - if your student doesn't
> > respond.
> > I have tried several of the music shops near me and they don't have
> > it. To
> > be honest, at this stage I can't really afford to buy another copy for
> > myself, otherwise I would order one from somewhere.
> >
> > I have already tried the local music libraries.
> >
> Lorraine asked, re the Weber Grand Duo:
> >
> >> in the 3rd movement, bar 79 - 80. The
> > groups of semiquavers are notated rythmically different to the previous
> > groups of six semi-quavers. i.e. the first semi-quaver (sixteenth
> > note) is
> > dotted, with the second being a demi-semi quaver. My teacher has said
> > to
> > play them straight as all others as he believes it is an editorial
> > difference, not what Weber would have written,
>
> Search on the Clarinet BB archives for the thread about the Grand Duo.
>
> Here's what Tony Pay wrote:
>
> >> The difficulty with all current editions is that there is no unedited
> >> clarinet part.
> >>
> >> The Henle editions of the other Weber works provide you with such
> >> unadorned clarinet parts, as well as copies of Carl Baermann's edition
> >> of those pieces, which might be taken to represent something like what
> >> Heinrich Baermann (his father and Weber's collaborator) played at the
> >> time.
> >>
> >> You can therefore look at both sources and make up your own mind what
> >> you want to do.
> >>
> >> However, there is no Henle edition of the Gran Duo, and no Carl
> >> Baermann edition either, as far as I know.
> >>
> >> All other editions provide you with a part containing just what a
> >> particular clarinet player -- Giamipieri, Garbarino, Kell, Drucker etc
> >> -- happens to fancy doing. (The Weston edition provides you with what
> >> a non-clarinetplaying editor fancies your doing, which is even more
> >> redundant in my book.)
> >>
> >> I have a photocopy of the original manuscript, the clarinet part of
> >> which I have put into Sibelius, and I attach a Postscript file of
> >> that. I don't know whether it will work -- perhaps someone will tell
> >> me.
> >>
> >> I should say that I am not suggesting that you play all the
> >> articulations that appear, or don't appear, in this version. It's just
> >> that it's worthwhile knowing what Weber wrote, so that you can ignore
> >> stuff written by OTHER PEOPLE that doesn't fit with what you want to
> >> do.
> >>
> >> Tony
>
>
> follow this link to the pdf download of Tony's manuscript:
>
> http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/1,764/
> weberduo.pdf
>
> If this doesn't work, MarK C's message with the link is two bwelow
> Tony's in the BB thread.
>
> BTW, the short answer is that the manuscript has the dotted 16th
> notes, FWIW.
>
> David
>
> David B. Niethamer
> dnietham@-----.edu
> http://members.aol.com/dbnclar1/index.html
>
>
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