Klarinet Archive - Posting 000330.txt from 2006/01

From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Trust but verify (This is completely off topic)DO NOT READ! :-)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:16:48 -0500

There's not enough anti-semitism in the whole, frigg'in world already? You
have to feel "ashamed to be a Jew" because of Jack Abramhoff??? Yes, let's
jump on this new bandwagon and hate the Jews for a new reason: Jack
Abramhoff!! And keep in mind we're not talking about Sadaam or Hitler here.
So the world's not perfect like at your house? In his position, you might
have done the same thing, and God Forbid, even WORSE!!! And he gave, I
believe, bribes to people or took them. They were gentiles.
Do they feel ashamed because of this? No. So why should you?

In your 47 years, don't you find a spectrum of good and bad/evil behavior in
ALL people, including yourself? You think people will like you better if
you use Jack Abramoff to display your self-hatred. They won't. They'll
hate you and the Jews more.

There's good and bad in everyone, except for a few whose names I won't
mention! :-)

Go have a nice bowl of chicken soup with a big, matzoh ball.
You'll feel better. :-) (at least temporarily, and that's good enough for
me!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rommel John (Rafi Jochanan) Miller" <rjmiller@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] Trust but verify (This is completely off topic)

> Its funny, but even though I am 47, been in the Navy suffered a nervous
> breakdown from the abuse and harrassment of my fellow "shipmates"
(probably
> becasue I was in the wrong rate and in at the wrong time [76-79]) I still
> beleive that Buber said it right, and he my friends lived through the most
> horrific of times, the Holocaust.
>
> While Ronny Ray-gun was playing cowboy on the silver screen. And let's
not
> forget that Mr. Reagan's regulations led us into the quagmire of
low-paying
> jobs and off-shore and out-sourced jobs today, of the decline of american
> industry through the dissolution of the union and an ethical working wage.
> And let us not forget how close we truly did come to nuclear annihilation
in
> 1982 and 1983 when Mr. Reagan was so loose and haphazzard with his words
as
> to say (thinking the microphones to be off) "ok boys, we start dropping
the
> nukes on Moscow in five minutes" or something like that. What a diplomat,
> what patriot, what an utter beginning to the real declination in American
> values and ethics. For from Reagan rose Enron, from his regegulation rose
> corporate giants like Wal-Mart and Interstate Bank which gobbled up the
mom
> and pop little guys. From Reagan came people like Jack Abrahmoff the most
> unethical Jew since Shylock. And a man who makes me ashamed to be a Jew,
> but proud that I am an ethical and hopeful Jew, not a cynical one.
>
> I might be mentally ill dear friends, but I have a great deal of learning
> beween these ears of mine and I have lived through Carter, Reagan, two
> Bush's, a Clinton and hopefully another Clinton. And I tell you, I'd
rather
> that Jimmy Carter return to the White House than have what's in there now,
> for there was and is a man of ethical courage.
>
> I am sorry for this diatribe, but the santification of Ronald Reagan
bothers
> the heck out of me, especially when you consider that he did more the
create
> and distance the poverty gap in this country and dismantle the mental
health
> system. It took Bill Clinton and the work of Tipper Gore to bring the
> emphasis of mental illness awareness back to the forefront in the 1990's,
> and let's not forget that.
>
> I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran, I was ready and willing to
> die for this country at a time when it was the worst thing to do, and my
> only sibling my brother was killed in Vietnam, and my father was a WWII
> veteran, so you can't say I'm not patriotic. I have seen life from the
> inside, and it ain't all that grand, especially aboard ship, and with a
> bunch of guys who had the choice of either going to jail or going into the
> service. And its no wonder the Veterans Medical Centers are overburdened.
>
> Rafi Miller
> Baltimore, MD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:48 PM
> Subject: [kl] Trust but verify
>
>
> > Yep! Pardner!
> >
> > I don't have the time right now to look up the exact Reagan quote
> regarding
> > the verification procedures of the Soviet Union's nuclear missle
> inventory,
> > but President Reagan exclaimed "Trust, but verify" to those skeptics,
> > non-believers, spoilsports and the rest who desired to take the Soviet
> Union
> > at its word. (If there was ever a time, contrary to Martin Buber,
> according
> > to Rafi in his previous post, that one should "verify", it would be in
> > global political negotiations where the lives of millions would be at
> stake.
> > Don't you think so, Rafi?)
> >
> > That's the first time I heard the expression which seems quite
reasonable.
> > Rafi, as one gets older, one learns that the seller sometimes tells you
> > something that isn't true. This has actually happened to ME! Some call
> > this a "maturation" process.
> >
> > When young, one can live in a dream world or a fantasy which is lovely
(as
> > long as money isn't involved). It's interesting that as an example you
> > choose clarinet playing vs. say, believing everything your seller's
> realtor
> > might tell you. "Once burned, twice shy" is a proverb I heard
somewhere.
> I
> > don't know it in standard business Russian, but there's wisdom in it.
> >
> > Just curious. What statement in "I and Thou" would be relevant to being
> > somewhat skeptical in daily life?
> >
> > I'll try to get out to the Reagan Museum some time soon and capture the
> > document for you! :-)
> > After spending this much time writing, my curiosity got the better of
me.
> > Google, "trust but verify." You'll find the quote attributed to Ronald
> > Reagan, a favorite on this list!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: [kl] new Mozart finds
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > I thought it was a clever, original thought of Ronald Reagan.
> > >
> > > Ronald Reagan?????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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