Klarinet Archive - Posting 000323.txt from 2006/01
From: "Rommel John (Rafi Jochanan) Miller" <rjmiller@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Trust but verify (This is completely off topic)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:26:14 -0500
Its funny, but even though I am 47, been in the Navy suffered a nervous
breakdown from the abuse and harrassment of my fellow "shipmates" (probably
becasue I was in the wrong rate and in at the wrong time [76-79]) I still
beleive that Buber said it right, and he my friends lived through the most
horrific of times, the Holocaust.
While Ronny Ray-gun was playing cowboy on the silver screen. And let's not
forget that Mr. Reagan's regulations led us into the quagmire of low-paying
jobs and off-shore and out-sourced jobs today, of the decline of american
industry through the dissolution of the union and an ethical working wage.
And let us not forget how close we truly did come to nuclear annihilation in
1982 and 1983 when Mr. Reagan was so loose and haphazzard with his words as
to say (thinking the microphones to be off) "ok boys, we start dropping the
nukes on Moscow in five minutes" or something like that. What a diplomat,
what patriot, what an utter beginning to the real declination in American
values and ethics. For from Reagan rose Enron, from his regegulation rose
corporate giants like Wal-Mart and Interstate Bank which gobbled up the mom
and pop little guys. From Reagan came people like Jack Abrahmoff the most
unethical Jew since Shylock. And a man who makes me ashamed to be a Jew,
but proud that I am an ethical and hopeful Jew, not a cynical one.
I might be mentally ill dear friends, but I have a great deal of learning
beween these ears of mine and I have lived through Carter, Reagan, two
Bush's, a Clinton and hopefully another Clinton. And I tell you, I'd rather
that Jimmy Carter return to the White House than have what's in there now,
for there was and is a man of ethical courage.
I am sorry for this diatribe, but the santification of Ronald Reagan bothers
the heck out of me, especially when you consider that he did more the create
and distance the poverty gap in this country and dismantle the mental health
system. It took Bill Clinton and the work of Tipper Gore to bring the
emphasis of mental illness awareness back to the forefront in the 1990's,
and let's not forget that.
I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran, I was ready and willing to
die for this country at a time when it was the worst thing to do, and my
only sibling my brother was killed in Vietnam, and my father was a WWII
veteran, so you can't say I'm not patriotic. I have seen life from the
inside, and it ain't all that grand, especially aboard ship, and with a
bunch of guys who had the choice of either going to jail or going into the
service. And its no wonder the Veterans Medical Centers are overburdened.
Rafi Miller
Baltimore, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:48 PM
Subject: [kl] Trust but verify
> Yep! Pardner!
>
> I don't have the time right now to look up the exact Reagan quote
regarding
> the verification procedures of the Soviet Union's nuclear missle
inventory,
> but President Reagan exclaimed "Trust, but verify" to those skeptics,
> non-believers, spoilsports and the rest who desired to take the Soviet
Union
> at its word. (If there was ever a time, contrary to Martin Buber,
according
> to Rafi in his previous post, that one should "verify", it would be in
> global political negotiations where the lives of millions would be at
stake.
> Don't you think so, Rafi?)
>
> That's the first time I heard the expression which seems quite reasonable.
> Rafi, as one gets older, one learns that the seller sometimes tells you
> something that isn't true. This has actually happened to ME! Some call
> this a "maturation" process.
>
> When young, one can live in a dream world or a fantasy which is lovely (as
> long as money isn't involved). It's interesting that as an example you
> choose clarinet playing vs. say, believing everything your seller's
realtor
> might tell you. "Once burned, twice shy" is a proverb I heard somewhere.
I
> don't know it in standard business Russian, but there's wisdom in it.
>
> Just curious. What statement in "I and Thou" would be relevant to being
> somewhat skeptical in daily life?
>
> I'll try to get out to the Reagan Museum some time soon and capture the
> document for you! :-)
> After spending this much time writing, my curiosity got the better of me.
> Google, "trust but verify." You'll find the quote attributed to Ronald
> Reagan, a favorite on this list!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] new Mozart finds
>
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> >
> > > I thought it was a clever, original thought of Ronald Reagan.
> >
> > Ronald Reagan?????
> >
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