Klarinet Archive - Posting 000060.txt from 2006/01

From: "Keith" <bowenk@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:02:25 -0500

This is pizzamania. Not only do we pay the man pizzas for teaching us, we
have to pay him an OTT pizzatax when we teach his gems to pizzarinis. No
pizzataxation without pizzarepresentation, we cry! I am minded to put a
contrabassoon in the GP and make Dan play it pizzacato.

Keith Bowen

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> klarinet-return-85790-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org
> [mailto:klarinet-return-85790-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.o
> rg] On Behalf Of dnleeson
> Sent: 05 January 2006 18:25
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
>
>
> That is 7 more pizzas, two of which must come from Chicago.
> You think good musicology is cheap?? Just be grateful that I
> do not insist on Beluga caviar.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph H. Fasel [mailto:jhf@-----.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:14 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
>
>
> Keith,
>
> I had thought of a cadenza as occurring at a a dominant-tonic
> cadence, but looking it up, I see that it moves from the
> tonic in second inversion to the tonic in root position by
> way of the dominant.
>
> Cheers,
> --Joe
>
> On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 09:56, Keith wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > Slightly moot to say there is a harmonic transition in a
> cadenza, isn't it?
> > Doesn't it go from the tonic (second inversion) to the tonic
> (root position)
> > in general? And the inversions could not be perceived on a
> clarinet unless
> > one were really really good at double stopping! Whereas an
> eingang is all
> > about harmonic transition (dominant to tonic). I think this
> does emphasize
> > the difference in purpose between the two. They are similar in
> that the
> > performer has considerable freedom within the conventions and
> is on his or
> > her own!
> >
> > Keith Bowen
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > klarinet-return-85784-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.org
> > >
> [mailto:klarinet-return-85784-bowenk=compuserve.com@-----.o
> > > rg] On Behalf Of Joseph H. Fasel
> > > Sent: 05 January 2006 16:18
> > > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > > Subject: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > To say that it is "nothing like a cadenza in the slightest"
> > > is a bit over the top, IMHO. Perhaps you mean to say, as Douglas
> > > Adams might have, that an eingang is almost, but not
> quite, exactly
> > > unlike a cadenza. ;-)
> > >
> > > Like a cadenza, it a place where an embellishment or
> improvisation
> > > is called for at a particular kind of harmonic
> transition. Like a
> > > typical Baroque cadenza, it should be brief (as is not
> generally the
> > > case for a late Classical cadenza). I think you've taught me,
> > > though, that an eingang shouldn't be overly elaborate or
> showy, as a
> > > cadenza (Baroque
> or
> > > later) often is. And of course, the structures of the
> two kinds of
> > > embellishments will be quite different because of the
> difference in
> > > the kinds of harmonic transitions they
> mark.
> > >
> > > Would you agree with that?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > --Joe
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 13:35, dnleeson wrote:
> > > > It is nothing like a cadenza in the slightest. The
> > > musicians cut off
> > > > and the party who plays the eingang does it alone. It's
> short, not
> > > > fancy, and if it is longer than 10-15 seconds, that's to
> long. It
> > > > ends either on the 7th or the 2nd of scale so that it can
> > > LEAD IN to
> > > > the tonic note.
> > > >
> > > > Repeat after me: IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA, IT IS NOT LIKE A
> > > CADENZA,
> > > > IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA, IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA, IT IS
> > > NOT LIKE A
> > > > CADENZA, IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA, IT IS NOT LIKE A
> CADENZA.
> > > >
> > > > And it can be found in almost all chamber must from the
> > > last half of
> > > > the 18th century. You have not been listening carefully.
> > > And I still
> > > > get a pizza.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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