Klarinet Archive - Posting 000049.txt from 2006/01

From: Oliver Seely <oseely@-----.edu>
Subj: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:03:48 -0500

As the Scottish hotel keeper in the British comedy series "Little
Britain" would say, "Yaiiiiis. Mayyyybee it isss, and Mayyybee it
isn't. Toodle toot, toodle toot, toot" The "toodle toot, toodle
toot, toot" on his flute is too short to be a cadenza but it comes
after his pronouncement, so I guess that it is an Abgang. Is there
such a thing as an Abgang in music (the loud passage in the slow
movement of Haydn's Surprise Symphony, perhaps)? 8-)

Oliver

At 08:18 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote:
>Dan,
>
>To say that it is "nothing like a cadenza in the slightest" is a bit
>over the top, IMHO. Perhaps you mean to say, as Douglas Adams might
>have, that an eingang is almost, but not quite, exactly unlike a
>cadenza. ;-)
>
>Like a cadenza, it a place where an embellishment or improvisation is
>called for at a particular kind of harmonic transition. Like a typical
>Baroque cadenza, it should be brief (as is not generally the case for a
>late Classical cadenza). I think you've taught me, though, that an
>eingang shouldn't be overly elaborate or showy, as a cadenza (Baroque or
>later) often is. And of course, the structures of the two kinds of
>embellishments will be quite different because of the difference in the
>kinds of harmonic transitions they mark.
>
>Would you agree with that?
>
>Cheers,
>--Joe

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