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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000032.txt from 2006/01
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:37:49 -0500
It is nothing like a cadenza in the slightest. The musicians cut
off and the party who plays the eingang does it alone. It's
short, not fancy, and if it is longer than 10-15 seconds, that's
to long. It ends either on the 7th or the 2nd of scale so that
it can LEAD IN to the tonic note.
Repeat after me: IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA,
IT IS NOT LIKE A CADENZA.
And it can be found in almost all chamber must from the last half
of the 18th century. You have not been listening carefully. And
I still get a pizza.
Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Bennett [mailto:curtis.bennett@-----.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
So, it;s like a cadenza with everyone else continuing to maintain
the chord?
This must be something that only appears in very specific types
of music.
I'll have to work on that pizza for you.
On 1/4/06, dnleeson <dnleeson@-----.net> wrote:
> It means "lead in." It is a rough sort of pickup that is
> expected to be improvised by one of the players of the group,
> comes at stopping points in a movement, is always introduced by
a
> dominant 7th chord with fermata.
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> Any clarinet player in the last half of the 18th and first half
> of the 19th centuries grew up with an understanding of what an
> Eingang was. It was part of their training. Today, nobody
gets
> trained in what an Eingang is, and the result is that its
purpose
> is ill understood, which is a sign of a weak education for the
> performer. One is supposed to know what these things are and
be
> able to react to them. When you see the word "cadenza" you
have
> a fairly good idea that you will play alone for an uncertain
> duration, with the text given to you. But eingange (that's the
> plural) are not described by text, only by underlying chord
> structure and in the presence of a fermata for music of a
> specific period. A dominant 7th with a fermata in Brahms is
> unlikely to mean, play an eingang.
>
> Now you owe me several pizzas for this information. And good
> ones, too. Not Papa Johns. Send money at once.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis Bennett [mailto:curtis.bennett@-----.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:34 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gran Partitttta (K. 361)
>
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> Sorry for the stupid question, but WRT to the earlier
discussions
> in
> this thread :
>
> What the heck is an eingang?
> --
> Curtis Bennett
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