Klarinet Archive - Posting 000349.txt from 2005/11

From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?sarah=20elbaz?=" <sarah@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Re: Mahler, et. al.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:23:37 -0500


Dan Leeson wrote:

> I had hoped that this painful topic was closed, painful because
> there are so few who understand the central issues involved, and
> instead of speaking from historical knowledge they change the
> subject to one of self-identity.

This sentence is a very good reason to go on with this discussion

> With respect to what Mahler and Mendelssohn thought about
> themselves, there is no question regarding their peception of
> what they were.  Following his conversion to Catholicism at 26 (I
> think), he spoke of himself as a Catholic, as should have done.

Mahler and Mendelsson are two very different cases.
I really recommande the book : "The pity of it all" by Amos Aylon.
The book is starting on the day that Moshe Mendelssohn, grandfather of Felix, enterd Berlin via
the special gate for animals and Jews and ends in 1933.
You can get a lot of information about the Mendelssohn family, about Mahler, Albert Einstein
and many others.

Oliver:
Some of the Rabbis are very good philosophers and they had to deal with the problem of
conversion especially because of the families that were so ashamed of the relative who converted.

They gave several solution , all of them are very forgiving:

People who "left" Judaism are called " kidnapped babies" they were kidnapped from the "Truth".
When they will go to heaven they will not be punished, but they will have to explain why they didn't look
for the truth. Mahler was a kidnapped baby BEFOR he converted. We , the secular Jews are called
kidnapped babeis too.

The other one is : "Every thing is in the hands of God except of the belive in God" God can control every thing but can't make you belive.

Sarah

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