Klarinet Archive - Posting 000196.txt from 2005/11

From: "Joseph H. Fasel III" <jhf@-----.gov>
Subj: Re: [kl] Conversion
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:18:54 -0500

OK, just to clear this up (or maybe muddy the waters, knowing me): There
are at least three senses of the word "catholic":

1. universal
2. subscribing to a certain body of doctrines and practices, such as the
sacraments, the three orders of ministry (bishops, priests, and deacons),
the historic episcopacy (or "apostolic succession"), and so on
3. of or pertaining to the church of Rome

The creeds, which most Christians say, use the first sense. We Anglicans
consider ourselves to be catholic in the first and second senses, though
sadly not in communion with Rome. I was taught to refer to our Roman
friends as "Roman Catholics" and never merely "Catholics"; if it is
necessary to abbreviate, we were told, use "Roman".

Cheers,
--Joe

capeeire@-----.com said:
> Ah, but it's actually "catholic and apostolic..." Little letters make for
> a different meaning.
>
> (And as I remember well the discussion between my Catholic friend and my
> brought-up-Catholic-but-now-Lutheran father over one summer vacation, I am
> not getting into defining it for you.)
>
> Peace,
> Martha
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakeling@-----.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:19:25 +0000
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Conversion
>
>
> Joseph H. Fasel wrote:
>> Actually, Bach wrote one of the greatest _Latin_ masses ever. It's not
>> specifically Roman. Latin masses were celebrated occasionally by
>> Lutherans in the 16th century and perhaps as late as Bach's time.
>
> Interesting, that, since I remember well the triumphant music
> accompanying the lines, "And I believe in one holy Catholic and
> Apostolic Church". :-P
>
>
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Joseph H. Fasel, Ph.D. email: jhf@-----.gov
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