Klarinet Archive - Posting 000147.txt from 2005/11

From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Conversion
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:31:46 -0500

You mentioned several composers who were Jewish and who converted. In
anti-semitic Europe (not to mention elsewhere), do you think it might be for
reasons other than spiritual/religious that these people converted?

Or was it just their new found love of Jesus Christ?

Putting it another way, if there had been no anti-Jewish (may I say it?)
prejudice in Europe, do you think that Mahler, Schoenberg, Mendellsohn,
etc., would have "converted"? I doubt it.

And to say that a person's previous religion is irrelevant is like saying
that a person's original language is irrelevant. At a minimum, they would
pray with an "accent"! :-)
WR

----- Original Message -----
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [kl] Conversion

> You are right. And I was told the story of his reconversion by
> his grandson who lives in Los Angeles. But I think the situation
> is not at all complicated. Whatever was the most recent
> conversion is the one that is applicable. So Schoenberg was born
> a Jew. He became a Catholic and ceased being a Jew. He then
> became a Jew and ceased being a Catholic. If he at some later
> time became a tree worshipper, then that would be his religious
> affiliation from that point until he died. However, I would not
> want to write his obituary.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark [mailto:mgustav@-----.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:50 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Conversion
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> And what about Arnold Schoenberg?
> He was born into a Jewish family, in Vienna. At 24 he converted
> to
> Lutheranism and at 59 converted back to Judaism (in Paris) and
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> with it. Time is tricky. Perhaps if Mahler had lived longer he
> would
> have converted back.
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> Mark Gustavson
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