Klarinet Archive - Posting 000103.txt from 2005/11

From: Joseph Wakeling <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] The Vienna Philharmonic and Women -- Bad News
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:45:01 -0500

Fred Jacobowitz wrote:

> I appreciate the tone of your reply and agree with you but do you
> think you could do without the 'F' word (and other profanity, of
> course)? TIA.

Apologies if anyone finds it offensive. I thought it was an appropriate
word to describe the attitudes of the people I was referring to... I
tend to find swearwords offensive or non-offensive depending on context,
but I appreciate that not everyone feels the same.

Dan Leeson wrote:

> I'm not sure we are one the same planet, much less the same page.
>
> Every symphony orchestra in America, England, France, and Germany has
> women performers. The Vienna Phil has had difficulty with that concept.
>
> This is not a discussion about women's place in humanity, but rather
> women's place in the Vienna Philharmonic, which is zero right now.

You may be right about the planets thing but I was just replying to
Bill's comment that he likes the company of women. I wasn't meaning a
general comment about orchestras, just about some of the male members of
the species. N.B. my referring to them as "male members" can be taken
as a euphemism for another word I would like to use if I wasn't
abstaining from profanity. ;-)

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