Klarinet Archive - Posting 000097.txt from 2005/11

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: FW: [kl] The Vienna Philharmonic and Women -- Bad News
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:23:27 -0500

I'm not sure we are one the same planet, much less the same page.

Every symphony orchestra in America, England, France, and Germany
has women performers. The Vienna Phil has had difficulty with
that concept.

This is not a discussion about women's place in humanity, but
rather women's place in the Vienna Philharmonic, which is zero
right now.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakeling@-----.net]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:14 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: FW: [kl] The Vienna Philharmonic and Women -- Bad
News

Ormondtoby Montoya wrote:

> Sometimes I wonder what a person *gains* by behaving this way?
(I
> myself *enjoy* associating with women.)

Me too; but in my experience, most men don't. They like fucking
women,
and they like having women around to be objects of aesthetic
beauty, and
they like women who act as amplifiers for their own ego, etc.
etc. etc.,
but take a woman who actually wants to be treated as a *proper
human
being* and many men find that quite scary.

Their loss, methinks. :-)

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